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Zara

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and wanted me to go down and interview

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US

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well a couple days later her husband

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called back up and he said forget it it

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says she didn't see anything she says

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I'm her diet military Colonel and

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it wasn't anything it was just a

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I used to have the 45th and

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division look did you

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you remember Wayne and Sue von

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they used to come back here when peace

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was out here he was a lieutenant colonel

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yeah

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I mean I have the 45th air division here

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every Sunday morning for waffles and

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champagne

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and you were teaching them and they oh

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Elizabeth probably the only person in

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the world

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who has been paid by the Air Force to go

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to different Air Force bases

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and lecture to them on UFOs

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that's what I try and tell people in the

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government that the government doesn't

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know what the government knows I mean

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who is that that's either yeah

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what's wrong Sylvia

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I don't think it was locked

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you must be feeling better yeah yeah

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how you doing remember dick

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yeah I'm doing an interview I left you a

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note though yeah I see it I mean okay

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I'll talk to you later oh I think I'm

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not sure but I think Daphne

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okay

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she said that she's moving in with a uh

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so

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I'm kidding we're set to go and

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I was gonna go comb my hair sure

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before no so I've absolutely seen her

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and read the accountant

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and interestingly enough isn't it and uh

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that's the same as she's been born

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maybe that's the way to control her I

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love my snack

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being polite

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sometimes it's the only way

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okay

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and we're set to go that was scary how

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much they don't dare to be mentally ill

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you want to shoot yourself would you

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sorry you'll have to buy the bullets

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we're talking with Betty Hill

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famous and first abductee September 19

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1961. Betty while driving with her

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husband Barney was heading south from

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Canada right when very early in the

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morning

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you saw a strange light behind the car

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it was September 19th but what time was

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that Betty that this light behind the

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car appeared well we would cross over

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the border into New Hampshire and I

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think we started to see this light

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following actually in the very beginning

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I noticed a bright light in the sky and

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I thought I was discovering a new

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climate until it started to move

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and this was about oh 10 30 11 o'clock

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at night

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so we start the car and got out

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just

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see what this

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we thought it was a plane so we start

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the car to get out to look at it

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and that's when it changed Direction and

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started coming in towards us

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now that was about the Lancaster area

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so and then it followed us for about 30

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miles Haystack high and all the while

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you were morning were discussing it what

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is this what is that yeah see Bobby

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didn't robot too

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ain't no planes and he's trying to

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identify this and it's flying in a very

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erratic manner

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which was very puzzling to us but this

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is 61.

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we'd heard you have well actually in

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those days they call them flying sauces

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we had no idea what a flying saucer

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looked like

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but we were but we had no fear

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just curiosity we're trying to identify

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you go on in the road you decide to pull

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over Barney gets out of the car actually

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that was in the Indian Head area am I

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preceding something here when you

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encountered alien entities or was this

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after uh no this is the next step okay

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in the Indian Head area

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um

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I'm trying to attract the attention of

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this craft I'm telling it come on in hi

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I got the window down I'm yelling to it

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who are you

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my couch all kinds of stuff

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the uh

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and at that point it left the top of the

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mountain came out over the highway and

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stopped in mid-air directly in front of

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us maybe about 50 feet in the sky

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so Bonnie got out with the binoculars in

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an attempt to identify the craft

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and when he looked up

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these are a circular

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window

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with a bright light behind it and he saw

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these men standing behind the window

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looking down at him

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and at that point the craft began to

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descend

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and he became frightened

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ran back to the car saying he thought

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they were trying to capture him

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so we got in the car and we were

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speeding down the highway to avoid

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capture

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as a driving along is beeping sounds

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that sounds like something was hitting

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the trunk of the car and the car

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vibrated

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and then we drove along for about

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another 30 miles

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when Bonnie turned off onto a side road

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and he was a group of men he'd seen on

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The Craft

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standing in the middle of this road

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blocking our way

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and naturally he had to stop the car

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and they came up in two groups took us

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out of the car passed in the woods to

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at that point

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strange thoughts started going through

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your heads thoughts that weren't your

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did you have some sort of telepathic

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communication with these entities or all

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our communication was durable verbal

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right oh interesting yep it spoke

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English in a limited way

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like you know a foreigner coming here

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and not too well acquainted with our

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language but in the same time using

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common colloquialisms of the day like

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you'll be back in no time or something

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well in the very first part they put us

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in they had us under some kind of

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control

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and I brought myself out of this but

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Barney was only able to bring himself

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partly out of it so that I was just as

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conscious as I am right now

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they walk you into the craft up around

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that landed craft this is right off

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Route three well actually you didn't

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know where you were at that point

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um yeah but but right after move three

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so it they walk you up this ramp

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you brought in and what what did they

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say they were going to do with you well

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when we got up to the door I was not

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going to go in

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so I sacked them

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punched the entity yeah

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um in fact I put out such a battle that

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my dress is badly torn

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you know come on all we want to do is

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some simple tests

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and as soon as a tests are over you

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we'll take you back to your car and

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you'll be on your way

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let's just go back to those type of

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entities

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um they were your classic alien

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gray-shaped cat like that it works okay

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thank you therefore I'm a human being

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there were there were a form of human

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beings right did they have cat like or

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Cheshire like eyes they had larger eyes

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than I was smaller nose and swallow

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mouth no protruding part of the ear or

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no hair so many people Nothing Like

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These classic Grays used I don't know

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I've never seen those I don't know what

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they're talking about okay

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um there was a leader

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oh well so we

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we gave them different names to identify

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now I don't know if he was a leader or

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but we called him the leader and then

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there was the one who did the testing we

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called him The Examiner

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there were nine others who stayed out in

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the corridor and we call them the crew

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so you're on board what do you remember

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what you saw when you entered the craft

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did something must have taken taken you

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a vaccine this is amazing or what type

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of craft am I inside can you can you

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describe as to what you collectively

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remember

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one end to a corridor

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and then I was taken into a room and I

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had to step up because the flower level

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of the floor was above the corridor and

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it was an oval-shaped though like we

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do you remember at that point did they

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specify what their agenda at that point

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was were you going immediately in for

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the examination or they had taken us

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strictly to to actually they wanted to

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find out how we would like them or

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different from them physically yeah did

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you feel that you were chosen for this

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or you happen to be in the wrong area at

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the wrong time or the right area at the

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right time

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in the right area but I think we uh I

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brought it on myself you know I'm waving

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to him and yelling to him and like who

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are you and oh you get into the

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examination room you're separated from

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Barney right he's taken into the second

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room

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your examination and again all this

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comes out in later dreams and hypnosis

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but uh immediately do they remove your

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clothes and perform what happens you'll

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have to I'm I'm tainted by all the

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popular law of abduction stories

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I don't know anything about those things

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you're better off

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but uh

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I was taken into this first room and uh

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it was

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was a stool and then the wall

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the donut they were doze in the wall

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that would slide back and forth and they

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put me on a stool checked my eyes ears

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nose throat my feet my hands

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and then

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he put me on a table and said they were

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going to check my nervous system and

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they used some kind of equipment to do

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this

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and then he tried to insert a

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needle-like instrument in my navel which

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caused pain

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so they stopped doing it and uh

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then the examiner left went into the

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room wherever he was

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can you describe what was happening to

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Barney what Barney recalled under

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hypnosis some what was going on at the

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same time in his examination room uh

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would by any most of the exam was a

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savings mine except uh

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they were interested in this bone

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structure I mean they were feeling all

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up and down his spine his arms and all

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basically did Barney recall any struggle

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akin to the struggle that you had where

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you had a corn no because they had him

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under this control and he was

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but very upsetting to him because he

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couldn't move so he they hit they had

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implemented paralysis uh um some sort of

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temporary Paralysis on Barney to subdue

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him whereas to you they gave you a

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little more leeway as far as you weren't

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well I'm sorry you know I was smaller

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than Bonnie so I didn't get a big dose

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of heroin so they saw him as more of a

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fear perhaps it was bigger than them

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Paula

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your examination concludes then what

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happens well well the examiner is in

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doing Bonnie's exam I started talking

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with the leader and I said

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I know you're not from this planet

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where are you from

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and he showed me a sound map

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and he explained part of the map to me

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briefly

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um and then we just talked about food

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and

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different aspects of life here

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you know and what

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give me something like what led to the

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food was the examiner came running back

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into the room where I was I started

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tugging at my teeth

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and

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he wanted to know why Bonnie's teeth

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were removable and mine were not

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and the story is Barney had Dentures

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yeah yeah during World War II

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Bonnie got too close to a hand grenade

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and knocked his teeth out

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and they that they were totally confused

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that was very puzzling tool yeah and

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humorous yeah any other instances that

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that something that as a human you took

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so General as a characteristic that you

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never thought of it that they got

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confused by almost child liking you know

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akin to the Denture incident because was

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there anything else like that they

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seemed like boy you don't know that but

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you can recall yeah well I was sort of

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disappointed I didn't know anything

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about the solar system

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okay I think they really expected me to

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be able to identify the map they were

334
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actually actually upset that you didn't

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recognize their home let's go to that

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Marjorie fish a months later or years

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later years later under hypnosis

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tries to induce you under hypnosis to

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redraw that no no no no no maybe you can

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go over that uh

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Dr Simon at the time

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Dr Benjamin Simon

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said that

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during the week

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if I wanted to I would be able to

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remember the star map

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and I would SketchUp

348
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but I was not to think about it I would

349
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just to let my hands go ahead and draw

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it which I did

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that was in 1965.

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20 years after the incident no 1969

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Madre fish came here and stayed a few

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days

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and

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asked me all kinds of questions hours

357
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and hours

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which he taped

359
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and then use that to go back home

360
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and took your message did the research

361
00:16:10,610 --> 00:16:08,100
on it and identified the areas the area

362
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of the storm out which she said was in

363
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the constellation that we know

364
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reticulous in the star system was Zeta

365
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Zeta ridiculite yep

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um the and from that point do you

367
00:16:25,569 --> 00:16:23,279
remember the mentioning Zeta reticuli or

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is that a terminology that we uh

369
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I would have no idea what that means

370
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and to remember what type of star system

371
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was it a white star was it a yellow star

372
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a red giant to recall what type of star

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or anything it's uh

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I don't know but I do know

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that our astronomers believe that the

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Stars on my map were the ones most

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likely to have what have planets and

378
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have Life as We Know It And so they're

379
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and they may be younger Stars hotter

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Stars actually uh

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we're we're believed to be 4.6 billion

382
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years old or 20 billion it seems that we

383
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age a million years every five years so

384
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but actually Zeta reticulate we believe

385
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you know with the belief we don't know

386
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for sure

387
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we believe it's about 11 billion years

388
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old so a lot they've been around a lot

389
00:17:20,449 --> 00:17:18,000
longer than we have twice is over twice

390
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as long and then the um the chance to to

391
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evolutionize to to project so the this

392
00:17:28,610 --> 00:17:26,579
puzzling incident uh you're examined you

393
00:17:29,930 --> 00:17:28,620
get a tour of the spaceship for the

394
00:17:31,789 --> 00:17:29,940
craft did you did they show you anything

395
00:17:34,730 --> 00:17:31,799
it's just only on a need to know basis

396
00:17:36,830 --> 00:17:34,740
yes the one room I was in the

397
00:17:38,930 --> 00:17:36,840
interaction with you and the question

398
00:17:41,870 --> 00:17:38,940
answer session was more than Barney they

399
00:17:45,049 --> 00:17:41,880
did not give Barney the opportunity to

400
00:17:46,430 --> 00:17:45,059
inquire nope there was no conversation

401
00:17:48,890 --> 00:17:46,440
with Bobby

402
00:17:53,450 --> 00:17:48,900
you I enjoyed myself I had a great time

403
00:17:55,250 --> 00:17:53,460
he joked we kided really yeah I invited

404
00:17:57,890 --> 00:17:55,260
him to come back I can say please please

405
00:17:59,810 --> 00:17:57,900
please come back oh I had so many

406
00:18:01,610 --> 00:17:59,820
friends who would love to meet you so

407
00:18:05,090 --> 00:18:01,620
this was not a traumatic experience at

408
00:18:07,310 --> 00:18:05,100
all it was an enlightening experience oh

409
00:18:08,990 --> 00:18:07,320
it's spiritually uplifting right perhaps

410
00:18:12,110 --> 00:18:09,000
right it would nobody could tell me

411
00:18:15,650 --> 00:18:12,120
there's not life on other planets

412
00:18:18,230 --> 00:18:15,660
same time it seems that 36 hours after

413
00:18:21,409 --> 00:18:18,240
the sighting is on record according to

414
00:18:24,529 --> 00:18:21,419
Jacques ballet at 2 14 A.M

415
00:18:27,409 --> 00:18:24,539
peace Air Force was tracking

416
00:18:28,190 --> 00:18:27,419
an unknown object oh yeah I told him

417
00:18:30,710 --> 00:18:28,200
that

418
00:18:34,010 --> 00:18:30,720
uh peace amplifies released the radar

419
00:18:36,430 --> 00:18:34,020
report well they tracked his craft

420
00:18:39,169 --> 00:18:36,440
it's like two planes out to check it out

421
00:18:41,390 --> 00:18:39,179
and the reports of the pilots are still

422
00:18:43,430 --> 00:18:41,400
classified so we know they just saw it

423
00:18:45,590 --> 00:18:43,440
it's a skeptic that kind of knocks them

424
00:18:48,710 --> 00:18:45,600
out of the water then uh if

425
00:18:51,230 --> 00:18:48,720
if for you to guess if you if this were

426
00:18:52,430 --> 00:18:51,240
a concocted story boy you know your

427
00:18:53,990 --> 00:18:52,440
stuff where you've it's a pretty well

428
00:18:56,450 --> 00:18:54,000
orchestrated event to have peas

429
00:19:00,110 --> 00:18:56,460
Personnel involved into that Betty and

430
00:19:02,630 --> 00:19:00,120
Barney uh you know Betty uh Bonnie was a

431
00:19:04,549 --> 00:19:02,640
postal worker yeah postal worker

432
00:19:06,110 --> 00:19:04,559
um you're involved in real estate and

433
00:19:07,970 --> 00:19:06,120
that you pulled off a grand hoax with

434
00:19:09,770 --> 00:19:07,980
through the air force this is it's

435
00:19:11,450 --> 00:19:09,780
nearly impossible if not impossible

436
00:19:13,669 --> 00:19:11,460
absurd I guess is the term I'm looking

437
00:19:15,289 --> 00:19:13,679
for you're released from the craft you

438
00:19:18,110 --> 00:19:15,299
get back into the car you check your

439
00:19:19,970 --> 00:19:18,120
watches why of

440
00:19:21,710 --> 00:19:19,980
I don't think we checked our watches

441
00:19:23,870 --> 00:19:21,720
until we're almost home to see what time

442
00:19:25,690 --> 00:19:23,880
it was and both I watches that stop

443
00:19:28,070 --> 00:19:25,700
functioning

444
00:19:30,890 --> 00:19:28,080
and you could not account for some time

445
00:19:32,510 --> 00:19:30,900
elapsed no the trip we realized the trip

446
00:19:34,250 --> 00:19:32,520
had taken much longer than what it

447
00:19:36,590 --> 00:19:34,260
should have

448
00:19:38,150 --> 00:19:36,600
maybe about two hours

449
00:19:40,010 --> 00:19:38,160
were you feeling woozy did you have a

450
00:19:41,990 --> 00:19:40,020
headache did you have any physical were

451
00:19:44,270 --> 00:19:42,000
you just exhausted what can you describe

452
00:19:46,610 --> 00:19:44,280
we've been driving all night we got home

453
00:19:47,630 --> 00:19:46,620
about five in the morning we come we

454
00:19:50,330 --> 00:19:47,640
relax

455
00:19:53,330 --> 00:19:50,340
so so you weren't feeling very well you

456
00:19:56,750 --> 00:19:53,340
didn't feel traumatized or anything at

457
00:19:58,730 --> 00:19:56,760
any time or or should I say violated at

458
00:19:59,870 --> 00:19:58,740
that time you go in the house and I

459
00:20:02,150 --> 00:19:59,880
guess is it the next morning you check

460
00:20:04,370 --> 00:20:02,160
out the car and fun and what happens

461
00:20:06,430 --> 00:20:04,380
when you look at the car highly polished

462
00:20:10,789 --> 00:20:06,440
spots are the trunk of the car

463
00:20:13,490 --> 00:20:10,799
and that day it was we were getting uh

464
00:20:15,770 --> 00:20:13,500
tropical rains from a hurricane that was

465
00:20:17,210 --> 00:20:15,780
going through and it was Heavy downpour

466
00:20:19,730 --> 00:20:17,220
and

467
00:20:21,289 --> 00:20:19,740
didn't affect the spots at all they

468
00:20:22,669 --> 00:20:21,299
stayed there for months

469
00:20:26,210 --> 00:20:22,679
your sister

470
00:20:28,669 --> 00:20:26,220
who claimed to have seen a UFO suggested

471
00:20:31,070 --> 00:20:28,679
that you do what with around the car she

472
00:20:32,990 --> 00:20:31,080
talked with a physicist who say go out

473
00:20:35,390 --> 00:20:33,000
with a compass and check out the spots

474
00:20:38,210 --> 00:20:35,400
which we did what happened and the

475
00:20:40,909 --> 00:20:38,220
compass was very very erratic almost

476
00:20:43,490 --> 00:20:40,919
spinning or just it was you know

477
00:20:45,350 --> 00:20:43,500
and we tried it on different other parts

478
00:20:47,510 --> 00:20:45,360
of the car and it didn't react but just

479
00:20:49,130 --> 00:20:47,520
near where the spots were yes hence the

480
00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:49,140
inference being a magnetic anomaly

481
00:20:54,409 --> 00:20:51,600
something was was really distorting the

482
00:20:57,549 --> 00:20:54,419
magnetic draw of the compass

483
00:21:00,950 --> 00:20:57,559
at that point uh afterwards you contact

484
00:21:03,010 --> 00:21:00,960
kufos J Allen Dr J and all of my neck or

485
00:21:05,390 --> 00:21:03,020
what is the sequence of events

486
00:21:08,270 --> 00:21:05,400
first of all we didn't do anything okay

487
00:21:11,390 --> 00:21:08,280
uh and then

488
00:21:14,029 --> 00:21:11,400
at nightcap in Washington I wrote to

489
00:21:18,110 --> 00:21:14,039
them because I wanted to know

490
00:21:19,970 --> 00:21:18,120
being exposed to a UFO close range was

491
00:21:22,490 --> 00:21:19,980
there any health problems

492
00:21:24,529 --> 00:21:22,500
we exposed to radiation what kind of

493
00:21:27,049 --> 00:21:24,539
dangers

494
00:21:30,049 --> 00:21:27,059
they dispatch Walter Webb as their

495
00:21:31,850 --> 00:21:30,059
records okay okay so so nycap has that

496
00:21:33,830 --> 00:21:31,860
that letter winds up on the files of the

497
00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:33,840
center for UFO studies with Dr J Allen

498
00:21:37,250 --> 00:21:35,520
heinek it might have I don't know you

499
00:21:39,049 --> 00:21:37,260
never ever communicated with Dr heinek

500
00:21:41,390 --> 00:21:39,059
oh yeah we became good friends well that

501
00:21:43,730 --> 00:21:41,400
was she is late enough okay we did

502
00:21:45,770 --> 00:21:43,740
numerous TV programs together

503
00:21:48,289 --> 00:21:45,780
okay what was your feeling on Dr heinek

504
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:48,299
um was he obviously a thinly veiled

505
00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:51,120
skeptic oh no no no no no he's what he's

506
00:21:55,850 --> 00:21:52,320
every word about

507
00:21:58,909 --> 00:21:55,860
at the end yep oh I mean as soon as they

508
00:22:01,070 --> 00:21:58,919
met us sure um I think that his take on

509
00:22:04,970 --> 00:22:01,080
the UFO phenomena when he was humiliated

510
00:22:07,130 --> 00:22:04,980
with the swamp gas incident yeah um you

511
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:07,140
have to trot out an absurd explanation

512
00:22:11,450 --> 00:22:09,360
for an event in front of a college dorm

513
00:22:13,610 --> 00:22:11,460
I believe in Michigan or near the Great

514
00:22:14,990 --> 00:22:13,620
Lakes that's when he said all right

515
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:15,000
enough that he saw that the government

516
00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:17,760
was masquerading or at least trotting

517
00:22:21,649 --> 00:22:19,679
out um disinformation and misinformation

518
00:22:23,210 --> 00:22:21,659
on the UFO phenomena because when he

519
00:22:24,110 --> 00:22:23,220
first started he was working for the

520
00:22:27,289 --> 00:22:24,120
government

521
00:22:30,770 --> 00:22:27,299
yeah so Dr heineck and you were great

522
00:22:32,450 --> 00:22:30,780
friends then oh yeah yeah right no no

523
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:32,460
many

524
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:34,799
and I believe Dr harnick's son there's a

525
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:36,480
son who lives used to I don't know about

526
00:22:39,529 --> 00:22:37,919
now you live down here in Massachusetts

527
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:39,539
okay

528
00:22:44,210 --> 00:22:42,000
so you're having some troubling dreams

529
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:44,220
now is that what what happens at home oh

530
00:22:50,090 --> 00:22:47,280
after the uh actually

531
00:22:52,370 --> 00:22:50,100
ten nights after this happened I had a

532
00:22:54,049 --> 00:22:52,380
series of dreams for five nights each

533
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:54,059
dream was different

534
00:22:58,430 --> 00:22:56,880
which later I found out was a recall of

535
00:23:01,610 --> 00:22:58,440
what had happened and the dreams were

536
00:23:04,430 --> 00:23:01,620
depicting what you just described to me

537
00:23:05,870 --> 00:23:04,440
at that point what do you do is it is it

538
00:23:08,690 --> 00:23:05,880
starting is there any trouble by all

539
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:08,700
this is Bonnie no is his life pattern

540
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:11,760
change has his mood changed at all uh

541
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:14,159
actually physical well the first thing I

542
00:23:18,830 --> 00:23:16,320
did was each

543
00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:18,840
what during the next day I wrote down

544
00:23:22,250 --> 00:23:20,880
what I could remember in my dream the

545
00:23:24,770 --> 00:23:22,260
following day which would be the 20th

546
00:23:26,810 --> 00:23:24,780
and every time I had it no I didn't know

547
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:26,820
it was ten nights sure after so we're

548
00:23:31,370 --> 00:23:29,280
talking the 29th 30th roughly and I

549
00:23:34,010 --> 00:23:31,380
wrote I made a record on these three

550
00:23:36,890 --> 00:23:34,020
years of the day okay and then

551
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:36,900
I took and put them away

552
00:23:40,610 --> 00:23:39,360
and then later

553
00:23:42,850 --> 00:23:40,620
uh

554
00:23:46,669 --> 00:23:42,860
several months later

555
00:23:51,230 --> 00:23:46,679
I talked with my supervisor

556
00:23:56,570 --> 00:23:54,289
and then she said well

557
00:23:59,870 --> 00:23:56,580
maybe it happened

558
00:24:01,010 --> 00:23:59,880
and suggested or did she we just we just

559
00:24:02,750 --> 00:24:01,020
talked about it

560
00:24:04,610 --> 00:24:02,760
so Barney I mean life's going on as

561
00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:04,620
usual you did mention it's not that you

562
00:24:07,789 --> 00:24:06,720
had these total memory blockages of what

563
00:24:09,710 --> 00:24:07,799
happened

564
00:24:11,149 --> 00:24:09,720
um but you you knew it would happen but

565
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:11,159
it wasn't dramatically affecting your

566
00:24:15,230 --> 00:24:13,200
lives more you're curious more than

567
00:24:17,390 --> 00:24:15,240
anything curiosity

568
00:24:20,330 --> 00:24:17,400
that at that point now Walter Webb

569
00:24:22,190 --> 00:24:20,340
representing nycap comes is did he get

570
00:24:23,710 --> 00:24:22,200
involved in the picture he came and

571
00:24:27,230 --> 00:24:23,720
interviewed us a couple of times

572
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:27,240
interviews you Walters uh a very highly

573
00:24:32,210 --> 00:24:28,799
esteemed researcher one of the original

574
00:24:35,210 --> 00:24:32,220
you ever see actually

575
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:35,220
that I would say three weeks after this

576
00:24:38,930 --> 00:24:36,720
half of the United States government got

577
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:38,940
involved

578
00:24:42,529 --> 00:24:40,799
did you notice anything strange odd

579
00:24:44,810 --> 00:24:42,539
vehicles around your home where you

580
00:24:47,090 --> 00:24:44,820
followed that your prototypical the Men

581
00:24:48,770 --> 00:24:47,100
in Black did you see him now they called

582
00:24:50,990 --> 00:24:48,780
us from Washington

583
00:24:53,210 --> 00:24:51,000
and they heard about our experience like

584
00:24:56,090 --> 00:24:53,220
to meet us they they were scientists

585
00:24:57,409 --> 00:24:56,100
they had an interest in UFOs

586
00:24:59,570 --> 00:24:57,419
and

587
00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:59,580
so they came if we had continuing

588
00:25:04,490 --> 00:25:01,679
contacts with them for years

589
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:04,500
the United States government sometimes

590
00:25:09,950 --> 00:25:06,480
one time we even got together and camped

591
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:09,960
out we saw 26 of the top scientists in

592
00:25:14,510 --> 00:25:11,520
this country and Jacque Valley was one

593
00:25:15,950 --> 00:25:14,520
of them wow so there was no subversion

594
00:25:17,090 --> 00:25:15,960
or subterfuge going on with the

595
00:25:19,730 --> 00:25:17,100
government they were straightforward out

596
00:25:21,649 --> 00:25:19,740
of curiosity and then no one was mocking

597
00:25:23,570 --> 00:25:21,659
you or highly skeptical well they were

598
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:23,580
looking for information you know and

599
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:27,120
because uh this was a highly unique case

600
00:25:31,789 --> 00:25:29,279
um and it represented a different genre

601
00:25:33,230 --> 00:25:31,799
in the UFO phenomena whereas it was a

602
00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:33,240
close encounter I guess of the Third

603
00:25:37,010 --> 00:25:35,460
Kind or would you call it a Fourth Kind

604
00:25:39,169 --> 00:25:37,020
where you were abducted I know that

605
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:39,179
those are the the classifications given

606
00:25:43,130 --> 00:25:41,520
by Dr heinek and I know it was a land

607
00:25:46,010 --> 00:25:43,140
and craft you saw occupants and you went

608
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:46,020
on board it nope and the the man who

609
00:25:49,970 --> 00:25:48,240
came got in touch with us were from the

610
00:25:53,630 --> 00:25:49,980
White House

611
00:25:56,090 --> 00:25:53,640
natural Security Council NASA

612
00:25:59,470 --> 00:25:56,100
and let's see

613
00:26:01,850 --> 00:25:59,480
yeah these were the top five dogs right

614
00:26:02,690 --> 00:26:01,860
right and the first thing they said to

615
00:26:05,690 --> 00:26:02,700
us

616
00:26:07,310 --> 00:26:05,700
stay away from the UFO organizations

617
00:26:09,070 --> 00:26:07,320
and that's I'd like to re-emphasize

618
00:26:11,630 --> 00:26:09,080
that's anybody listening at home today

619
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:11,640
oh good for you you're your own person

620
00:26:18,110 --> 00:26:14,640
like they said don't

621
00:26:20,210 --> 00:26:18,120
we want to know the facts and we don't

622
00:26:23,390 --> 00:26:20,220
want you even

623
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:23,400
with a possibility of being influenced

624
00:26:29,390 --> 00:26:25,200
by something else

625
00:26:33,049 --> 00:26:29,400
so stay right away and I always have

626
00:26:36,529 --> 00:26:33,059
and I still have contacts

627
00:26:38,090 --> 00:26:36,539
it gets to the spring of 1962.

628
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:38,100
problems start happening with Barney

629
00:26:42,529 --> 00:26:39,600
does

630
00:26:44,750 --> 00:26:42,539
well what's going on with Barney Barney

631
00:26:48,769 --> 00:26:44,760
started to

632
00:26:51,230 --> 00:26:48,779
his blood pressure was fluctuating and

633
00:26:53,870 --> 00:26:51,240
he was having anxieties well see Barney

634
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:53,880
was working the midnight shift too

635
00:26:59,210 --> 00:26:57,360
so he's driving to Boston South Station

636
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:59,220
every night had to be there I think

637
00:27:03,169 --> 00:27:00,720
midnight

638
00:27:04,669 --> 00:27:03,179
and you know if he's getting home

639
00:27:06,110 --> 00:27:04,679
getting through what it's seven eight

640
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:06,120
o'clock in the morning he's trying to

641
00:27:10,610 --> 00:27:07,919
sleep during the day

642
00:27:13,130 --> 00:27:10,620
and everything just built up and he got

643
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:13,140
sick physically

644
00:27:18,169 --> 00:27:16,320
lack of sleep can compound itself yep at

645
00:27:20,210 --> 00:27:18,179
that point did you equate that to the

646
00:27:21,710 --> 00:27:20,220
incident of September 19th did you think

647
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:21,720
it was directly related with me having

648
00:27:25,070 --> 00:27:23,520
any sort of nightmares or it's just you

649
00:27:26,990 --> 00:27:25,080
just couldn't get asleep he couldn't

650
00:27:29,450 --> 00:27:27,000
sleep and

651
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:29,460
um it was like

652
00:27:33,769 --> 00:27:32,159
he was standing some before we started

653
00:27:36,049 --> 00:27:33,779
going to Dr Simon he's leave here

654
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:36,059
started driving to Boston to go to work

655
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:37,919
turn around and come home and he just

656
00:27:43,490 --> 00:27:41,039
like I can't do it I'm too exhausted

657
00:27:47,450 --> 00:27:43,500
I don't feel good

658
00:27:50,570 --> 00:27:47,460
enter Dr Simon and then no

659
00:27:53,149 --> 00:27:50,580
he wasn't he was going to his regular

660
00:27:55,070 --> 00:27:53,159
Family Doctor Who's prescribing

661
00:27:56,990 --> 00:27:55,080
medications and all trying to treat him

662
00:27:59,810 --> 00:27:57,000
and he's not improving

663
00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:59,820
so his doctors thought maybe he had some

664
00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:01,679
kind of emotional problem

665
00:28:08,210 --> 00:28:05,279
that was preventing him from healing so

666
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:08,220
he sent him into a psychiatrist in the

667
00:28:12,830 --> 00:28:10,320
same office building he was in

668
00:28:14,930 --> 00:28:12,840
so Bonnie started going to Dr Stevens on

669
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:14,940
a regular basis you know talking about

670
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:17,279
his childhood and his mother and his

671
00:28:22,730 --> 00:28:19,919
father and all and one day Dr Steven

672
00:28:25,310 --> 00:28:22,740
said what did you do this weekend

673
00:28:28,730 --> 00:28:25,320
and Barney told him we went up in the

674
00:28:32,930 --> 00:28:28,740
White Mountains looking for UFOs

675
00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:32,940
and everybody told him and he's one he

676
00:28:37,490 --> 00:28:35,760
who referred us to Dr Benjamin Simon who

677
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:37,500
had been one of his teachers in medical

678
00:28:41,570 --> 00:28:39,600
school

679
00:28:43,970 --> 00:28:41,580
Dr Simon

680
00:28:46,610 --> 00:28:43,980
puts both of you under hypnosis

681
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:46,620
recording let me get straight about

682
00:28:53,810 --> 00:28:51,120
hypnosis what you hear and what you see

683
00:28:56,269 --> 00:28:53,820
is stage hypnosis

684
00:29:01,250 --> 00:28:56,279
we had medical hypnosis

685
00:29:06,529 --> 00:29:03,890
medical hypnosis it's a highly trained

686
00:29:08,450 --> 00:29:06,539
psychologist doctor as opposed to a

687
00:29:12,169 --> 00:29:08,460
charlatan with a watch dangling back and

688
00:29:14,810 --> 00:29:12,179
forth right okay right and um

689
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:14,820
Dr Simon

690
00:29:18,169 --> 00:29:17,279
at the end of World War II had been that

691
00:29:26,330 --> 00:29:18,179
the

692
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:26,340
treatment of servicemen coming back from

693
00:29:33,950 --> 00:29:30,480
World War II who had emotional problems

694
00:29:38,450 --> 00:29:33,960
and he was so highly successful using

695
00:29:42,110 --> 00:29:38,460
medical hypnosis that the U.S army did a

696
00:29:43,970 --> 00:29:42,120
documentary of Dr Simon's work

697
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:43,980
and in the beginning it was two hours

698
00:29:48,730 --> 00:29:45,120
long

699
00:29:52,430 --> 00:29:48,740
but then in nineteen

700
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:52,440
1980 around there somewhere they shot in

701
00:29:58,909 --> 00:29:55,440
the film to one hour and it was shown up

702
00:30:02,630 --> 00:29:58,919
public PBS stations and the name of the

703
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:02,640
film is let there be light and if

704
00:30:07,370 --> 00:30:05,039
if you could get a hold of it it is one

705
00:30:09,409 --> 00:30:07,380
of the greatest things you ever saw so

706
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:09,419
this man is uh

707
00:30:14,210 --> 00:30:12,000
has a lot of badges I guess I'd like to

708
00:30:15,950 --> 00:30:14,220
Simon it's a field of Psychiatry but

709
00:30:17,930 --> 00:30:15,960
he's not somebody that would lead

710
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:17,940
questions he he's uh like you said he

711
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:19,440
had brought a lot of men out of battle

712
00:30:24,110 --> 00:30:21,600
fatigue that were emotionally scarred in

713
00:30:26,810 --> 00:30:24,120
combat yes and uh the casualties in

714
00:30:29,210 --> 00:30:26,820
World War one alone of shell shock

715
00:30:31,490 --> 00:30:29,220
um but the men if they had been treated

716
00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:31,500
by trained uh Physicians and they could

717
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:34,799
have been saved and contacted normality

718
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:38,399
it this fell as a serviceman was brought

719
00:30:44,029 --> 00:30:41,279
in in a wheelchair he cannot walk now

720
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:44,039
he'd been hit by shrapnel and all have

721
00:30:48,889 --> 00:30:46,080
been removed it was always in the world

722
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:48,899
why he couldn't walk except he couldn't

723
00:30:53,090 --> 00:30:50,399
so doctors

724
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:53,100
he's lying on the bed Dr Simon puts in

725
00:30:58,130 --> 00:30:55,200
medical hypnosis

726
00:31:00,649 --> 00:30:58,140
and he says to him get up and walk

727
00:31:02,750 --> 00:31:00,659
he says jumps out of bed and walks

728
00:31:05,690 --> 00:31:02,760
and he's walking around the room and he

729
00:31:09,889 --> 00:31:05,700
goes over to the nurse and he's crying

730
00:31:12,289 --> 00:31:09,899
and he's saying look look I can walk

731
00:31:15,289 --> 00:31:12,299
I can really walk

732
00:31:17,450 --> 00:31:15,299
Dr Simon puts him back in the bed brings

733
00:31:19,610 --> 00:31:17,460
him out of the hypnosis and the first

734
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:19,620
thing this patient does is he looks at

735
00:31:24,110 --> 00:31:22,080
Dr Simon real worried look in his face

736
00:31:25,730 --> 00:31:24,120
and he says do you think I'll ever be

737
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:25,740
able to walk

738
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:27,840
and talk to Diamond said I'm sure you

739
00:31:30,529 --> 00:31:29,039
will

740
00:31:33,289 --> 00:31:30,539
and at the end of the movie he shows

741
00:31:36,169 --> 00:31:33,299
about those playing baseball

742
00:31:37,130 --> 00:31:36,179
so Dr Simon could help people will their

743
00:31:40,669 --> 00:31:37,140
way

744
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:40,679
through Agony right

745
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:42,240
this is brought to the Public's

746
00:31:48,830 --> 00:31:46,320
attention in 1968 or 69 when a movie is

747
00:31:50,330 --> 00:31:48,840
made when maybe you were known obviously

748
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:50,340
through newspaper accounts but you were

749
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:52,320
brought worldwide I guess publicity your

750
00:31:57,409 --> 00:31:54,720
maximum publicity when the movie was

751
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:58,510
in

752
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:00,720
1965 mm-hmm

753
00:32:04,730 --> 00:32:02,880
we pull it up for a Boston newspaper

754
00:32:07,730 --> 00:32:04,740
heard about our experience and without

755
00:32:09,649 --> 00:32:07,740
ever meeting us published it for five

756
00:32:11,570 --> 00:32:09,659
days on the front pages of the newspaper

757
00:32:13,130 --> 00:32:11,580
it went all over the world at that

758
00:32:15,010 --> 00:32:13,140
moment

759
00:32:17,210 --> 00:32:15,020
without having met you

760
00:32:19,130 --> 00:32:17,220
he took liberties with the story and

761
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:19,140
there were some inaccuracies yeah like

762
00:32:25,070 --> 00:32:21,600
well he was pretty accurate I was amazed

763
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:25,080
I still don't know where his Source was

764
00:32:29,149 --> 00:32:27,840
can you just do you think that maybe one

765
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:29,159
of your government contacts at least

766
00:32:32,450 --> 00:32:30,720
this information to him and then to

767
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:32,460
orchestrated somehow to get this to the

768
00:32:36,649 --> 00:32:34,559
public Consciousness I never thought of

769
00:32:38,990 --> 00:32:36,659
that I don't know okay

770
00:32:40,669 --> 00:32:39,000
what myths do you want to dispel about

771
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:40,679
your encounter and things that they they

772
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:42,240
fail to mention either they fail to

773
00:32:47,330 --> 00:32:44,159
mention when people think about the UFO

774
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:47,340
incident with you and Barney uh and what

775
00:32:51,169 --> 00:32:49,200
are some myths that you'd like to dispel

776
00:32:53,450 --> 00:32:51,179
about that

777
00:32:54,769 --> 00:32:53,460
if you can think of any Liberties I've

778
00:32:55,970 --> 00:32:54,779
learned some stuff for instance tonight

779
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:55,980
I always thought that they were

780
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:58,559
almond-shaped uh entities with their

781
00:33:01,850 --> 00:32:59,760
alien you said no they were very much

782
00:33:03,529 --> 00:33:01,860
humanlike they spoke to you verbally

783
00:33:06,130 --> 00:33:03,539
verbally as opposed to telepathically

784
00:33:08,210 --> 00:33:06,140
right and we had a great time

785
00:33:10,190 --> 00:33:08,220
you wanted wait a minute I'll go get

786
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:10,200
Junior so you can see what chewing you

787
00:33:24,289 --> 00:33:21,250
oh God yeah

788
00:33:25,370 --> 00:33:24,299
hanging on a wall over a bit there that

789
00:33:31,549 --> 00:33:25,380
I took

790
00:33:41,090 --> 00:33:34,930
another thing oh okay okay Junior

791
00:33:47,570 --> 00:33:44,269
another thing I never call them aliens

792
00:33:49,370 --> 00:33:47,580
what did you go beings astronauts I call

793
00:33:52,610 --> 00:33:49,380
them what they were

794
00:33:53,630 --> 00:33:52,620
sure that's what they are right this is

795
00:33:56,570 --> 00:33:53,640
Junior

796
00:33:58,970 --> 00:33:56,580
now this is a composite

797
00:34:01,009 --> 00:33:58,980
of what they look like the individual

798
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:01,019
differences they do not look alike this

799
00:34:05,330 --> 00:34:02,640
is much different

800
00:34:07,250 --> 00:34:05,340
between among them is there is around

801
00:34:09,169 --> 00:34:07,260
any group of people

802
00:34:11,389 --> 00:34:09,179
but this basically shows the

803
00:34:16,129 --> 00:34:11,399
characteristics the larger eyes nose

804
00:34:18,770 --> 00:34:16,139
mouth no protruding part no hair but

805
00:34:21,970 --> 00:34:18,780
this one this is because he fell off the

806
00:34:24,109 --> 00:34:21,980
podium in St Louis oh in practice okay

807
00:34:26,089 --> 00:34:24,119
somebody's okay though but he hasn't

808
00:34:28,970 --> 00:34:26,099
pronounced brow Ridge yep

809
00:34:31,490 --> 00:34:28,980
um as you said um a pug nose

810
00:34:33,649 --> 00:34:31,500
um more or less a very small orifice for

811
00:34:35,450 --> 00:34:33,659
a mouth and actually instead of whites

812
00:34:37,790 --> 00:34:35,460
actually have yellow eyes and eyes I

813
00:34:40,129 --> 00:34:37,800
love viruses and a pupils we put

814
00:34:42,050 --> 00:34:40,139
yellow in okay

815
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:42,060
just emphasize them I was gonna say he

816
00:34:47,270 --> 00:34:43,919
needs Visine or he looks like he has

817
00:34:50,750 --> 00:34:47,280
malaria okay okay now

818
00:34:52,730 --> 00:34:50,760
Junior has been evaluated by I don't

819
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:52,740
know how many physical anthropologists

820
00:34:57,710 --> 00:34:55,440
but what he looks like now

821
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:57,720
if we continue along the path of

822
00:35:02,750 --> 00:35:00,240
evolution this is what we're going to

823
00:35:06,290 --> 00:35:02,760
look like in 25 000 years

824
00:35:09,470 --> 00:35:06,300
and would we be

825
00:35:10,970 --> 00:35:09,480
mammalian reptilian or insectoid or a

826
00:35:12,770 --> 00:35:10,980
combination of the three I mean because

827
00:35:15,650 --> 00:35:12,780
if you look at the way we're on our way

828
00:35:18,650 --> 00:35:15,660
with the nuclear there was a nuclear

829
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:18,660
um exposure in Japan for instance and

830
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:21,359
radiation causes mutation and if you

831
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:22,800
look along the lines of evolution we

832
00:35:26,810 --> 00:35:24,240
lost our appendix for instance people

833
00:35:28,970 --> 00:35:26,820
say we'll lose our little toe because we

834
00:35:31,250 --> 00:35:28,980
don't need it yeah the brain capacity

835
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:31,260
gets larger and you become more spindly

836
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:32,880
because we don't need muscles because

837
00:35:37,370 --> 00:35:34,560
it's Mind Over Matter correct is that

838
00:35:39,170 --> 00:35:37,380
the no no okay they're going to be like

839
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:39,180
we are now except

840
00:35:44,510 --> 00:35:41,040
I mean look at mankind it's been around

841
00:35:46,130 --> 00:35:44,520
for what 2.6 million years

842
00:35:49,750 --> 00:35:46,140
depends on who you've talked to I guess

843
00:35:52,849 --> 00:35:49,760
so subjective so they've got the bodies

844
00:35:55,849 --> 00:35:52,859
so so that's basically what what the uh

845
00:35:57,230 --> 00:35:55,859
the the astronaut looked like right can

846
00:35:59,150 --> 00:35:57,240
I ask you something when they put that

847
00:36:01,069 --> 00:35:59,160
needle back on on board the craft they

848
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:01,079
put the needle into your navel some have

849
00:36:05,329 --> 00:36:02,640
speculated that perhaps they were taking

850
00:36:07,310 --> 00:36:05,339
eggs or ove or no you don't think so

851
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:07,320
because some are projected that isn't it

852
00:36:10,970 --> 00:36:08,640
interesting if you correlate that with

853
00:36:12,860 --> 00:36:10,980
test tube babies years on yeah well

854
00:36:16,190 --> 00:36:12,870
coach you know uh at the time this

855
00:36:20,990 --> 00:36:19,190
absolutely impossible to put a needle in

856
00:36:23,150 --> 00:36:21,000
someone's navel it would probably kill

857
00:36:25,010 --> 00:36:23,160
them but they get infections and then I

858
00:36:28,370 --> 00:36:25,020
think the process was developed in the

859
00:36:31,490 --> 00:36:28,380
hospital down in Houston Texas

860
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:31,500
yep did they do a perform any function

861
00:36:36,770 --> 00:36:33,599
like that with Barney then nope none

862
00:36:38,510 --> 00:36:36,780
whatsoever absolutely nothing sexual and

863
00:36:39,950 --> 00:36:38,520
there's that's another myth dispelled

864
00:36:41,870 --> 00:36:39,960
because there was always the that

865
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:41,880
overtone in some of the accounts of your

866
00:36:48,530 --> 00:36:43,680
story so it's good to get that clarified

867
00:36:51,290 --> 00:36:48,540
and absolutely no sexual in fact uh you

868
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:51,300
know having these different methods of

869
00:36:56,030 --> 00:36:54,480
producing children maybe we won't have

870
00:36:58,970 --> 00:36:56,040
any sex in 25

871
00:37:00,829 --> 00:36:58,980
000 years or maybe of us well I won't go

872
00:37:02,390 --> 00:37:00,839
there but it's you've been tough in 1999

873
00:37:04,609 --> 00:37:02,400
let me tell you

874
00:37:06,410 --> 00:37:04,619
um I want to ask you about after this

875
00:37:09,470 --> 00:37:06,420
incident you are catapulted into the

876
00:37:11,390 --> 00:37:09,480
Limelight not only are people relaying

877
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:11,400
similar experiences you start hearing

878
00:37:14,990 --> 00:37:12,960
from people who have similar experiences

879
00:37:17,930 --> 00:37:15,000
and you're probably saying these people

880
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:17,940
are are imagining on one hand others are

881
00:37:22,190 --> 00:37:20,160
very legitimate did you start here first

882
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:22,200
of all students our experience became

883
00:37:25,490 --> 00:37:23,040
known

884
00:37:27,530 --> 00:37:25,500
we became a senseful point for people to

885
00:37:30,109 --> 00:37:27,540
report sightings

886
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:30,119
and then after the movie the UFO

887
00:37:36,170 --> 00:37:33,839
incident then we had people

888
00:37:37,849 --> 00:37:36,180
um because the movie was in 75 and that

889
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:37,859
was after buying his death

890
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:40,079
they were calling me saying oh I think

891
00:37:45,650 --> 00:37:41,760
I've been abducted

892
00:37:49,250 --> 00:37:45,660
and so then as a social worker and I use

893
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:49,260
Dr Simon's formula when people tell who

894
00:37:56,089 --> 00:37:52,160
it entails it can be hallucinations

895
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:56,099
delusions fantasies

896
00:38:01,490 --> 00:37:58,800
or something they're recalling something

897
00:38:03,470 --> 00:38:01,500
they've seen heard or read

898
00:38:04,430 --> 00:38:03,480
when you rule out all those you may have

899
00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:04,440
the truth

900
00:38:08,690 --> 00:38:06,720
and they can't use the

901
00:38:10,250 --> 00:38:08,700
the using something you had read that

902
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:10,260
people tried to equate that you had

903
00:38:13,790 --> 00:38:12,240
taken from the village boas case which

904
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:13,800
happened three years after your incident

905
00:38:17,930 --> 00:38:16,320
in 1964 which is an absurd and

906
00:38:19,970 --> 00:38:17,940
impossibility for you to predict three

907
00:38:22,490 --> 00:38:19,980
years in the future as to what an event

908
00:38:25,069 --> 00:38:22,500
oh this is always for people listening

909
00:38:27,050 --> 00:38:25,079
at home was um a Latin man who was

910
00:38:29,930 --> 00:38:27,060
abducted or claimed to be abducted by a

911
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:29,940
spaceship and and was I guess sexually

912
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:32,000
accosted by a female

913
00:38:37,069 --> 00:38:35,280
alien on board a spaceship and Skeptics

914
00:38:40,190 --> 00:38:37,079
like Phil class if you want to go after

915
00:38:42,370 --> 00:38:40,200
Phil right now you can if it isn't that

916
00:38:44,810 --> 00:38:42,380
important you know

917
00:38:46,430 --> 00:38:44,820
I would tell Phil he only talked that

918
00:38:47,810 --> 00:38:46,440
way to try to make money on my

919
00:38:50,510 --> 00:38:47,820
reputation

920
00:38:53,150 --> 00:38:50,520
let's go there for the skeptic um I'm

921
00:38:54,349 --> 00:38:53,160
known as a paraseptic if you believe I

922
00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:54,359
probably don't if you don't believe I

923
00:38:57,950 --> 00:38:56,400
probably do I amalgamate my theories

924
00:38:59,810 --> 00:38:57,960
from both schools of thought you're both

925
00:39:03,410 --> 00:38:59,820
right you're both wrong there are some

926
00:39:05,390 --> 00:39:03,420
on the far end of this alien culture

927
00:39:07,069 --> 00:39:05,400
um that have these impossible stories

928
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:07,079
that I cannot comprehend and then there

929
00:39:12,109 --> 00:39:09,359
are the Absurd closed-minded Skeptics

930
00:39:14,510 --> 00:39:12,119
who will denounce anything without even

931
00:39:17,089 --> 00:39:14,520
given the possibility that this instance

932
00:39:19,310 --> 00:39:17,099
could be real I think that if there's I

933
00:39:21,410 --> 00:39:19,320
come upon something that's unexplained

934
00:39:23,089 --> 00:39:21,420
my job's complete I'm looking for hoaxes

935
00:39:25,370 --> 00:39:23,099
and I'm looking for misidentifications

936
00:39:28,370 --> 00:39:25,380
let someone else figure it out now let

937
00:39:32,450 --> 00:39:28,380
me say this it's those abductions

938
00:39:35,930 --> 00:39:32,460
there are real honest to God abductions

939
00:39:39,950 --> 00:39:35,940
but they're not known to the public

940
00:39:42,050 --> 00:39:39,960
uh I know probably about 12.

941
00:39:43,010 --> 00:39:42,060
and most of them involve two or three

942
00:39:44,810 --> 00:39:43,020
people

943
00:39:47,569 --> 00:39:44,820
and

944
00:39:50,329 --> 00:39:47,579
50 percent of those people who have been

945
00:39:53,450 --> 00:39:50,339
abducted are in the emergency room at

946
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:53,460
the hospital within four to six hours

947
00:39:58,970 --> 00:39:56,640
because they're convulsing or no no no

948
00:40:01,310 --> 00:39:58,980
they have breathing difficulties

949
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:01,320
they lose a sense of balance

950
00:40:06,770 --> 00:40:03,839
their eyes won't focus they have

951
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:06,780
different uh two men in Maine

952
00:40:12,829 --> 00:40:10,079
had all right I think with brown and

953
00:40:15,290 --> 00:40:12,839
yellow marks around their necks around

954
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:15,300
their eyes different parts of their body

955
00:40:20,270 --> 00:40:18,720
was this the Allagash incident so so

956
00:40:21,770 --> 00:40:20,280
they're traumatized so what you're

957
00:40:23,810 --> 00:40:21,780
saying is abduction

958
00:40:25,730 --> 00:40:23,820
that you the ones that aren't readily

959
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:25,740
known to the public they're very um

960
00:40:30,109 --> 00:40:28,079
almost violent occurrences because the

961
00:40:32,569 --> 00:40:30,119
physical traces left over the physical

962
00:40:34,310 --> 00:40:32,579
uh I mean repercussions I mean there's

963
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:34,320
something more than just saying oh I

964
00:40:38,569 --> 00:40:36,720
think I've been abducted I mean they've

965
00:40:41,390 --> 00:40:38,579
called the police and said

966
00:40:43,010 --> 00:40:41,400
take me to the hospital you were you

967
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:43,020
don't consider yourself an abductee but

968
00:40:48,530 --> 00:40:44,640
a passenger and I like that that's

969
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:50,990
a tour you I mean you you don't you

970
00:40:56,210 --> 00:40:54,240
consider yourself an abductee no no even

971
00:40:57,890 --> 00:40:56,220
though popular literature points to you

972
00:40:59,810 --> 00:40:57,900
yourself and Barney as the first

973
00:41:03,829 --> 00:40:59,820
abductees because you were the first two

974
00:41:08,450 --> 00:41:05,630
them so I didn't like the you know

975
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:08,460
Columbus came here and the Indians met

976
00:41:12,349 --> 00:41:10,370
with Columbus a cosmic caucus

977
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:12,359
[Laughter]

978
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:15,359
so the movie comes on your Clearinghouse

979
00:41:18,829 --> 00:41:17,040
for information a lot of people are

980
00:41:20,210 --> 00:41:18,839
coming to you some with stories that you

981
00:41:22,609 --> 00:41:20,220
can't believe others that you see that

982
00:41:25,609 --> 00:41:22,619
they're truly traumatized and victimized

983
00:41:27,230 --> 00:41:25,619
they ask what can you do to help me you

984
00:41:29,329 --> 00:41:27,240
probably answered I can't do anything

985
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:29,339
except you can only take consolation and

986
00:41:32,089 --> 00:41:30,480
others who have shared your same

987
00:41:34,730 --> 00:41:32,099
experience was that your advice that's

988
00:41:36,109 --> 00:41:34,740
my advice to abductees well if anybody

989
00:41:38,750 --> 00:41:36,119
comes to me and says I think I've been

990
00:41:41,390 --> 00:41:38,760
the first thing I say is stay away from

991
00:41:43,069 --> 00:41:41,400
it UFO investigators do not have

992
00:41:43,730 --> 00:41:43,079
hypnosis I'm gonna get a t-shirt with

993
00:41:47,150 --> 00:41:43,740
that

994
00:41:50,329 --> 00:41:47,160
and then if you really feel inducted

995
00:41:52,430 --> 00:41:50,339
you'll begin to remember it yourself you

996
00:41:53,810 --> 00:41:52,440
don't need anybody to tell you and you

997
00:41:58,010 --> 00:41:53,820
will begin and you will gradually

998
00:42:01,150 --> 00:41:58,020
remember the whole thing such as uh

999
00:42:04,190 --> 00:42:01,160
John Salto who is teaching

1000
00:42:06,650 --> 00:42:04,200
in at the College of North Dakota

1001
00:42:08,750 --> 00:42:06,660
and he got in touch with me and said

1002
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:08,760
I think my son and I have been abducted

1003
00:42:15,530 --> 00:42:12,000
I was both in the college professors

1004
00:42:17,089 --> 00:42:15,540
only his son was teaching in California

1005
00:42:18,829 --> 00:42:17,099
and Father's teaching in North Dakota

1006
00:42:21,290 --> 00:42:18,839
and the two of them would get together

1007
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:21,300
and they're going to Mississippi on this

1008
00:42:24,890 --> 00:42:23,520
trip when it happened

1009
00:42:28,010 --> 00:42:24,900
well they come back home and they're

1010
00:42:31,490 --> 00:42:28,020
separated and both of them begin to

1011
00:42:33,890 --> 00:42:31,500
recall exactly what happened

1012
00:42:36,410 --> 00:42:33,900
no hypnosis no nothing

1013
00:42:40,250 --> 00:42:36,420
they remembered the whole thing

1014
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:40,260
the UFO investigators start calling you

1015
00:42:44,810 --> 00:42:42,000
but the government's calling you the the

1016
00:42:47,089 --> 00:42:44,820
science scientists from all uh branches

1017
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,099
of like you said Military Intelligence

1018
00:42:52,130 --> 00:42:49,680
um I'm sure universities everybody's got

1019
00:42:54,410 --> 00:42:52,140
a solid scientific inquiry there's no

1020
00:42:56,030 --> 00:42:54,420
skepticism at that point because of your

1021
00:42:58,609 --> 00:42:56,040
sincerity and your consistency and

1022
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:58,619
testimony well for I don't know about

1023
00:43:01,849 --> 00:43:00,480
five years I guess it was I did College

1024
00:43:03,770 --> 00:43:01,859
lecture tours

1025
00:43:05,210 --> 00:43:03,780
which was a lot of fun sure meeting the

1026
00:43:08,089 --> 00:43:05,220
young people the young minds and then

1027
00:43:09,950 --> 00:43:08,099
you see I invited the UFOs to come back

1028
00:43:12,829 --> 00:43:09,960
and they did

1029
00:43:15,890 --> 00:43:12,839
not here but

1030
00:43:17,870 --> 00:43:15,900
as a few miles from here

1031
00:43:20,329 --> 00:43:17,880
and we went out

1032
00:43:23,450 --> 00:43:20,339
we had volunteers we covered the area

1033
00:43:27,890 --> 00:43:23,460
almost every night for about 15 years

1034
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:27,900
okay and we had scientists we had Labs

1035
00:43:31,609 --> 00:43:30,480
with testing equipment we had the

1036
00:43:33,770 --> 00:43:31,619
military

1037
00:43:37,250 --> 00:43:33,780
we had half the people that lived in

1038
00:43:40,190 --> 00:43:37,260
town observing and we got loads and

1039
00:43:42,050 --> 00:43:40,200
loads of information about UFOs but we

1040
00:43:43,550 --> 00:43:42,060
also got hundreds and hundreds of

1041
00:43:46,370 --> 00:43:43,560
pictures

1042
00:43:48,589 --> 00:43:46,380
sightings because over a 15-year period

1043
00:43:51,069 --> 00:43:48,599
in Southern New Hampshire you

1044
00:43:55,250 --> 00:43:51,079
orchestrated to watch groups

1045
00:43:57,410 --> 00:43:55,260
we had all these volunteers and uh when

1046
00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:57,420
I did the college lecture tourists I

1047
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:00,720
used about 85 different slides of UFOs

1048
00:44:07,309 --> 00:44:03,839
but not just UFOs UFOs doing different

1049
00:44:09,650 --> 00:44:07,319
kinds of things like a carrier with nine

1050
00:44:14,329 --> 00:44:09,660
discs coming out of it

1051
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:14,339
I mean I I had a 89 movie camera

1052
00:44:20,510 --> 00:44:17,520
and you have a film of a Mothership

1053
00:44:22,609 --> 00:44:20,520
actually what I did is I sent them movie

1054
00:44:25,490 --> 00:44:22,619
film to a friend who's a saskia

1055
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:25,500
addressed projected the movie film onto

1056
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:28,319
the screen and then took his camera and

1057
00:44:33,290 --> 00:44:30,800
snap slides

1058
00:44:34,730 --> 00:44:33,300
and then I showed the slides in my

1059
00:44:36,770 --> 00:44:34,740
lunches

1060
00:44:39,970 --> 00:44:36,780
and I bet you know

1061
00:44:43,370 --> 00:44:39,980
people don't realize what a huge variety

1062
00:44:45,770 --> 00:44:43,380
of different kinds and shapes of UFOs

1063
00:44:48,530 --> 00:44:45,780
there are and also they usually travel

1064
00:44:51,170 --> 00:44:48,540
around in the Squadron between 150 and

1065
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:51,180
200 . so if you see one you left off

1066
00:44:54,170 --> 00:44:52,319
keep looking

1067
00:44:56,089 --> 00:44:54,180
there's an awful lot they don't travel

1068
00:44:58,430 --> 00:44:56,099
around alone that's why the military

1069
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:58,440
doesn't attack them

1070
00:45:02,329 --> 00:45:00,720
how many different types of entities are

1071
00:45:05,329 --> 00:45:02,339
or Graces of people flux for instance

1072
00:45:07,130 --> 00:45:05,339
you met somebody from Zeta reticuli how

1073
00:45:09,470 --> 00:45:07,140
many different space scents are they all

1074
00:45:12,349 --> 00:45:09,480
from Zeta reticuli are they I have no

1075
00:45:14,990 --> 00:45:12,359
idea all I know many is that all I know

1076
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:15,000
is these crafts are flying together in

1077
00:45:19,250 --> 00:45:16,800
squadrons okay

1078
00:45:20,690 --> 00:45:19,260
they're all together emanating from the

1079
00:45:22,309 --> 00:45:20,700
same I don't know where they're all

1080
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:22,319
coming from

1081
00:45:27,770 --> 00:45:24,720
and they travel in squadrons and this is

1082
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:27,780
only based on on visual observations

1083
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:29,520
that you've taken personally how many

1084
00:45:32,510 --> 00:45:31,200
UFOs for instance have you seen do you

1085
00:45:34,670 --> 00:45:32,520
think it's impossible hundreds we'll

1086
00:45:37,490 --> 00:45:34,680
just say right thousands thousands okay

1087
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:37,500
and uh you can't see them on demand but

1088
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:39,599
you have a sense as to well you have to

1089
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:42,720
know where they go okay okay

1090
00:45:46,910 --> 00:45:44,880
uh would you like to see a picture of a

1091
00:45:48,530 --> 00:45:46,920
landed UFO

1092
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:48,540
too yeah okay I'll go get it I'll keep

1093
00:45:57,290 --> 00:45:54,589
junior is the

1094
00:45:58,609 --> 00:45:57,300
clay model or plaster depiction of The

1095
00:46:04,190 --> 00:45:58,619
Entity

1096
00:46:06,829 --> 00:46:04,200
that Betty saw on September 19 1961.

1097
00:46:08,809 --> 00:46:06,839
Betty as far as the the UFOs what's the

1098
00:46:10,670 --> 00:46:08,819
largest one you've ever seen motherships

1099
00:46:13,089 --> 00:46:10,680
we've heard a mile long do you believe

1100
00:46:18,410 --> 00:46:15,230
I'll have to ask him when she comes back

1101
00:46:20,450 --> 00:46:18,420
oh UFOs are small most UFOs are small

1102
00:46:23,150 --> 00:46:20,460
small say the size of what an automobile

1103
00:46:25,370 --> 00:46:23,160
the size of an airplane not seismic car

1104
00:46:27,530 --> 00:46:25,380
a little bit bigger but usually when

1105
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:27,540
people say oh I saw this huge one

1106
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:29,520
actually what it is is a lot of little

1107
00:46:33,410 --> 00:46:32,160
ones hooked up together flying into

1108
00:46:35,569 --> 00:46:33,420
solid Mass

1109
00:46:40,190 --> 00:46:35,579
okay

1110
00:46:45,770 --> 00:46:42,770
wow you can actually see pods or three

1111
00:46:47,690 --> 00:46:45,780
legs I pointed out right here of The

1112
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:47,700
Craft so this is a landed UFO New

1113
00:46:53,870 --> 00:46:51,599
Hampshire yep nope yep yes yeah looks to

1114
00:46:55,849 --> 00:46:53,880
be at

1115
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:55,859
Dawn or duskers that that's the light

1116
00:46:59,210 --> 00:46:57,599
being given off by the craft yeah it's

1117
00:47:01,550 --> 00:46:59,220
beginning to get that so you're looking

1118
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:01,560
more or less West yep for that

1119
00:47:04,670 --> 00:47:03,599
photograph yeah um what year was that

1120
00:47:07,550 --> 00:47:04,680
taken in

1121
00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:07,560
well sometime in the 70s in the 70s okay

1122
00:47:11,930 --> 00:47:09,839
this one would come in every night and

1123
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:11,940
land same spot or generally San

1124
00:47:16,970 --> 00:47:14,640
Francisco same general area and then

1125
00:47:19,069 --> 00:47:16,980
others would come in fly up to this one

1126
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:19,079
and then go off

1127
00:47:22,550 --> 00:47:20,640
so I always call this one the

1128
00:47:24,589 --> 00:47:22,560
headquarters this is where they come in

1129
00:47:26,270 --> 00:47:24,599
and get their artists for the night

1130
00:47:27,650 --> 00:47:26,280
what town

1131
00:47:30,050 --> 00:47:27,660
I know you don't want to sell out where

1132
00:47:32,030 --> 00:47:30,060
your place is sorry okay all right I

1133
00:47:34,010 --> 00:47:32,040
tried though didn't I I did try we're

1134
00:47:35,569 --> 00:47:34,020
gonna all we can say is Southern New

1135
00:47:39,410 --> 00:47:35,579
Hampshire that's all we can say about

1136
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:39,420
that and also this one uh this one has

1137
00:47:44,450 --> 00:47:42,960
actually is about 14 lights

1138
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:44,460
and not all light it but sometimes

1139
00:47:48,290 --> 00:47:45,839
they'd only have two or three lights

1140
00:47:49,609 --> 00:47:48,300
sometimes they have red lights green

1141
00:47:52,609 --> 00:47:49,619
lights

1142
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:52,619
that's it you can see the legs on it you

1143
00:47:56,809 --> 00:47:55,200
almost had a feeling to go of where to

1144
00:47:58,609 --> 00:47:56,819
go for this one you had your group

1145
00:48:00,410 --> 00:47:58,619
together you had an inkling is that what

1146
00:48:02,089 --> 00:48:00,420
I'm getting now that you had an idea of

1147
00:48:04,490 --> 00:48:02,099
here's where to go if we hang out here

1148
00:48:07,309 --> 00:48:04,500
long enough we're going to see them no

1149
00:48:09,290 --> 00:48:07,319
okay no driving to my mother's house at

1150
00:48:09,950 --> 00:48:09,300
night now coming home from her house at

1151
00:48:12,410 --> 00:48:09,960
night

1152
00:48:14,450 --> 00:48:12,420
usually but I mean I would be paced

1153
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:14,460
right we'd have a UFO on each side of

1154
00:48:19,069 --> 00:48:16,800
the cow and then they'd go ahead of us

1155
00:48:22,010 --> 00:48:19,079
and we'd follow them and they led me to

1156
00:48:22,849 --> 00:48:22,020
these they led me to this spot do you

1157
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:22,859
have a feeling these are the same

1158
00:48:27,230 --> 00:48:24,480
entities that originally abducted you on

1159
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:27,240
September 19th I don't know

1160
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:30,000
but I assume they knew them so I

1161
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:31,200
understand they had some kind of record

1162
00:48:36,109 --> 00:48:33,119
all right it went just from the same

1163
00:48:38,089 --> 00:48:36,119
Squadron so to speak yeah okay so those

1164
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:38,099
UFOs land they just land

1165
00:48:41,329 --> 00:48:39,599
um obviously you didn't walk towards it

1166
00:48:43,730 --> 00:48:41,339
and try to touch it or get close the the

1167
00:48:44,930 --> 00:48:43,740
idea was just the land here we are if

1168
00:48:45,710 --> 00:48:44,940
you want to take your photos take them

1169
00:48:47,089 --> 00:48:45,720
now

1170
00:48:49,370 --> 00:48:47,099
um

1171
00:48:52,550 --> 00:48:49,380
actually

1172
00:48:54,170 --> 00:48:52,560
if a person tried to walk towards him

1173
00:48:57,490 --> 00:48:54,180
um

1174
00:49:00,770 --> 00:48:57,500
they would come up dot towards a person

1175
00:49:04,670 --> 00:49:00,780
and to scare the person to leave

1176
00:49:09,710 --> 00:49:07,069
they just take off

1177
00:49:11,569 --> 00:49:09,720
they usually they just sit there

1178
00:49:12,530 --> 00:49:11,579
this is when was the last time you saw a

1179
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:12,540
UFO

1180
00:49:16,490 --> 00:49:14,880
this being 1999.

1181
00:49:18,650 --> 00:49:16,500
I looked out the window the other night

1182
00:49:19,730 --> 00:49:18,660
and two of them was flying

1183
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:19,740
but

1184
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:21,599
it was a very you know

1185
00:49:27,770 --> 00:49:24,960
very poor sighting you know I could tell

1186
00:49:28,609 --> 00:49:27,780
it was a UFO because the altitude and

1187
00:49:30,650 --> 00:49:28,619
speed

1188
00:49:31,730 --> 00:49:30,660
and Lighting

1189
00:49:33,410 --> 00:49:31,740
what do you think about cloaking

1190
00:49:34,490 --> 00:49:33,420
possibilities I've heard stories that I

1191
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:34,500
could be standing next to somebody that

1192
00:49:38,750 --> 00:49:36,240
sees UFOs and I can't see them if I'm

1193
00:49:40,609 --> 00:49:38,760
not at a certain angle do you

1194
00:49:43,550 --> 00:49:40,619
if you can't see him I'd suggest you

1195
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:43,560
have your eyes checked okay

1196
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:45,599
glasses baby yeah

1197
00:49:48,890 --> 00:49:47,520
in other words that they when they make

1198
00:49:50,450 --> 00:49:48,900
themselves appear they appear to

1199
00:49:52,609 --> 00:49:50,460
everyone not just to certain people

1200
00:49:54,050 --> 00:49:52,619
right okay so there's nothing to do with

1201
00:49:55,250 --> 00:49:54,060
this new age

1202
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:55,260
um vibrational

1203
00:49:58,250 --> 00:49:55,920
um

1204
00:49:59,930 --> 00:49:58,260
I don't know anything about that good

1205
00:50:01,609 --> 00:49:59,940
that's another good thing that I'm going

1206
00:50:03,890 --> 00:50:01,619
to put on the T-shirt now let's talk

1207
00:50:07,010 --> 00:50:03,900
about now you're you get catapulted in

1208
00:50:09,230 --> 00:50:07,020
uh as the UFO Authority you're invited

1209
00:50:11,930 --> 00:50:09,240
abroad tell me about the Europe's

1210
00:50:14,990 --> 00:50:11,940
reaction or uh Soviet Union's reaction

1211
00:50:16,849 --> 00:50:15,000
in how you were treated and who you met

1212
00:50:18,770 --> 00:50:16,859
Etc if you could maybe just give me a

1213
00:50:21,710 --> 00:50:18,780
brief overview of say when you went to

1214
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:21,720
Europe I've even been on TV in China

1215
00:50:26,510 --> 00:50:23,359
okay

1216
00:50:30,410 --> 00:50:26,520
in this slide a filming that was done

1217
00:50:33,170 --> 00:50:30,420
here was sold to China and they

1218
00:50:33,890 --> 00:50:33,180
they had somebody speaking Chinese for

1219
00:50:38,690 --> 00:50:33,900
me

1220
00:50:41,150 --> 00:50:38,700
I'm speaking French

1221
00:50:43,390 --> 00:50:41,160
uh you know no matter where I go I'm

1222
00:50:45,650 --> 00:50:43,400
speaking the native Japanese

1223
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:45,660
yeah so it's safe to say that this

1224
00:50:49,370 --> 00:50:47,760
phenomena is worldwide or is it just the

1225
00:50:51,230 --> 00:50:49,380
interest is worldwide or have you heard

1226
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:51,240
from all remote parts of the earth of

1227
00:50:55,849 --> 00:50:53,760
people uh recounting similar incidents

1228
00:50:57,470 --> 00:50:55,859
to yours how would you describe this

1229
00:51:01,089 --> 00:50:57,480
phenomenal well

1230
00:51:04,430 --> 00:51:01,099
always worldwide naturally like

1231
00:51:06,829 --> 00:51:04,440
uh I mentioned that my son it was

1232
00:51:09,290 --> 00:51:06,839
retired Navy well he was stationed in

1233
00:51:10,730 --> 00:51:09,300
Japan for many many years and he had a

1234
00:51:12,410 --> 00:51:10,740
Japanese wife

1235
00:51:13,549 --> 00:51:12,420
and then he got transferred to this

1236
00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:13,559
country

1237
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:15,839
and this was

1238
00:51:23,329 --> 00:51:19,920
in the 60s and she brought with her

1239
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:23,339
Publications about UFOs from Japan

1240
00:51:28,670 --> 00:51:26,880
and I still have them wow and half the

1241
00:51:30,890 --> 00:51:28,680
article is in Japanese and the other

1242
00:51:32,089 --> 00:51:30,900
half is in English

1243
00:51:35,390 --> 00:51:32,099
hello

1244
00:51:36,890 --> 00:51:35,400
so let's let's uh look at the UFO

1245
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:36,900
phenomena they're increasing the

1246
00:51:39,410 --> 00:51:38,400
government obviously doesn't know what

1247
00:51:42,530 --> 00:51:39,420
they are and that's why they're coming

1248
00:51:44,030 --> 00:51:42,540
to Betty Hill uh firsthand witness uh

1249
00:51:46,190 --> 00:51:44,040
they're trying to learn just as much as

1250
00:51:48,650 --> 00:51:46,200
everybody else so the government has to

1251
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:48,660
tap into the UFO subculture and the UFO

1252
00:51:52,130 --> 00:51:50,400
researchers as to getting gleaning

1253
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:52,140
information

1254
00:51:57,290 --> 00:51:54,000
that brings up my next thing about

1255
00:51:59,329 --> 00:51:57,300
Roswell UFO crashes I have the opinion

1256
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:59,339
that there are either no Flying Saucer

1257
00:52:03,230 --> 00:52:01,440
crashes or there's an entire litany you

1258
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:03,240
can't have just one what's your take on

1259
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:06,240
UFO crashes and on Roswell

1260
00:52:10,730 --> 00:52:08,880
uh

1261
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:10,740
my opinion

1262
00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:13,680
that one UFO crashed

1263
00:52:18,170 --> 00:52:16,319
because a little Lieutenant came out and

1264
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:18,180
made a public statement

1265
00:52:22,670 --> 00:52:20,400
and no little Lieutenant comes out all

1266
00:52:24,530 --> 00:52:22,680
by himself and does that he's got to be

1267
00:52:26,510 --> 00:52:24,540
cleared from the top we're talking about

1268
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:26,520
Walter Howe the Press information

1269
00:52:31,849 --> 00:52:29,520
officer at Walker field and Roswell Army

1270
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:31,859
and he came out and said it and so it

1271
00:52:36,109 --> 00:52:34,079
happened then the Pentagon came in and

1272
00:52:38,089 --> 00:52:36,119
said oh no no no no no

1273
00:52:41,210 --> 00:52:38,099
no no no meaning you shouldn't have said

1274
00:52:43,790 --> 00:52:41,220
that or no no no no no no wrong you see

1275
00:52:46,490 --> 00:52:43,800
don't forget about it let's let's take a

1276
00:52:48,410 --> 00:52:46,500
good look at the American public

1277
00:52:51,549 --> 00:52:48,420
if they came out and said UFOs are

1278
00:52:55,370 --> 00:52:51,559
flying here everybody be saying

1279
00:52:56,690 --> 00:52:55,380
they're violating a raspace show them if

1280
00:52:58,609 --> 00:52:56,700
you don't like them you don't understand

1281
00:53:00,829 --> 00:52:58,619
them you kill them right that's right

1282
00:53:02,510 --> 00:53:00,839
that's the American way of life I really

1283
00:53:04,849 --> 00:53:02,520
think the government is protecting you I

1284
00:53:06,349 --> 00:53:04,859
suppose well well let's go take one step

1285
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:06,359
further the government I think the

1286
00:53:10,130 --> 00:53:08,400
window of opportunity for disclosure of

1287
00:53:12,410 --> 00:53:10,140
UFO's existence by the government has

1288
00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:12,420
closed and like you said because the

1289
00:53:15,410 --> 00:53:13,920
public would say they've been flying in

1290
00:53:17,450 --> 00:53:15,420
our airspace all along the next

1291
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:17,460
Congressional defense budgetary hearing

1292
00:53:21,950 --> 00:53:19,680
that slash line item after line item and

1293
00:53:23,690 --> 00:53:21,960
cut their budgets number one so

1294
00:53:25,490 --> 00:53:23,700
um there is no defense against them they

1295
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:25,500
have not shown to be an aggressive

1296
00:53:30,109 --> 00:53:27,359
phenomena they could have shot down our

1297
00:53:31,490 --> 00:53:30,119
Fighters we have the Thomas mantel case

1298
00:53:33,710 --> 00:53:31,500
um we have a case in Australia the

1299
00:53:35,450 --> 00:53:33,720
valentich case where um people

1300
00:53:37,130 --> 00:53:35,460
unfortunately encountered UFOs and

1301
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:37,140
disappeared or had some sort of craft

1302
00:53:42,170 --> 00:53:39,359
malfunction these instances are going to

1303
00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:42,180
happen hence that these these uh the the

1304
00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:45,119
case in Australia

1305
00:53:49,970 --> 00:53:47,760
a friend of mine was in Australia I'm

1306
00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:49,980
just kidding the lunch is case 1975 or

1307
00:53:54,890 --> 00:53:52,319
76. the friend of mine was in Australia

1308
00:53:56,750 --> 00:53:54,900
when this happened and actually met with

1309
00:53:58,970 --> 00:53:56,760
the parents of this man

1310
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:58,980
I think he was 19 years old 20 something

1311
00:54:01,970 --> 00:54:00,000
like that

1312
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:01,980
so now we're out

1313
00:54:07,010 --> 00:54:05,040
in the area with a UFOs are

1314
00:54:10,130 --> 00:54:07,020
and we're yelling to him and asking them

1315
00:54:11,930 --> 00:54:10,140
to bring them back to us

1316
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:11,940
you were asking please bring them back

1317
00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:13,680
and they actually coming right in close

1318
00:54:17,450 --> 00:54:15,359
to us like they were trying to hear what

1319
00:54:18,770 --> 00:54:17,460
we were saying

1320
00:54:22,010 --> 00:54:18,780
well

1321
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:22,020
so you are a center or focal point or or

1322
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:24,000
somehow you you tend to attract UFOs

1323
00:54:27,710 --> 00:54:26,400
that if you if Betty Hill wants to see a

1324
00:54:32,030 --> 00:54:27,720
UFO

1325
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:32,040
no

1326
00:54:38,890 --> 00:54:37,430
I say that

1327
00:54:41,930 --> 00:54:38,900
it's almost like a

1328
00:54:43,250 --> 00:54:41,940
atmospheric change of some kind I can be

1329
00:54:46,490 --> 00:54:43,260
sitting here

1330
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:46,500
and I can UFO go over the window and

1331
00:54:50,030 --> 00:54:48,000
there it is okay so so you have a

1332
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:50,040
feeling there's something urgent it

1333
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:52,319
maybe it disturbs the air occurrence or

1334
00:54:57,230 --> 00:54:54,960
something that I recognize

1335
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:57,240
just briefly back to Roswell so your

1336
00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:59,520
take on Roswell is that incident happen

1337
00:55:04,010 --> 00:55:01,440
or not or is the point moved it's not

1338
00:55:06,589 --> 00:55:04,020
even worth discussing oh I think a UFO

1339
00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:06,599
crashed yep and I think it was recovered

1340
00:55:09,410 --> 00:55:08,400
no I don't know if bodies will be coming

1341
00:55:12,589 --> 00:55:09,420
or not

1342
00:55:14,270 --> 00:55:12,599
well I think a craft was

1343
00:55:15,950 --> 00:55:14,280
well bodies weren't recovered it was

1344
00:55:18,890 --> 00:55:15,960
either a remote controlled or B they

1345
00:55:21,049 --> 00:55:18,900
were picked up by by a safety rescue

1346
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:21,059
Flying Saucer it could have been okay

1347
00:55:27,470 --> 00:55:24,960
because we had a UFO crash here where

1348
00:55:28,430 --> 00:55:27,480
where's in my area in Southern New

1349
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:28,440
Hampshire

1350
00:55:34,670 --> 00:55:30,960
and I went out there and all the people

1351
00:55:36,530 --> 00:55:34,680
running UFO crashed oh maybe we ought to

1352
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:36,540
call the military may I don't maybe we

1353
00:55:41,390 --> 00:55:39,119
ought to call the police and I said no

1354
00:55:43,549 --> 00:55:41,400
go home and leave them alone if it

1355
00:55:45,950 --> 00:55:43,559
crashed and there's anybody alive on it

1356
00:55:47,329 --> 00:55:45,960
let the others come in and rescue them

1357
00:55:50,589 --> 00:55:47,339
can I ask you where this happened and

1358
00:55:52,609 --> 00:55:50,599
when uh very close to the world

1359
00:55:54,349 --> 00:55:52,619
New Hampshire again that's all we'll get

1360
00:55:56,030 --> 00:55:54,359
but what about what time what year what

1361
00:55:58,130 --> 00:55:56,040
it's something like this and does he

1362
00:56:00,829 --> 00:55:58,140
said he know about this that has a

1363
00:56:03,049 --> 00:56:00,839
catalog of flying saucer crashes uh this

1364
00:56:05,390 --> 00:56:03,059
was never reported and guess what and

1365
00:56:08,690 --> 00:56:05,400
the next day I went out with a

1366
00:56:11,390 --> 00:56:08,700
neurosurgeon from peace Air Force Base

1367
00:56:12,890 --> 00:56:11,400
thinking that if it crashed into if one

1368
00:56:15,049 --> 00:56:12,900
was killed

1369
00:56:17,390 --> 00:56:15,059
they might have left the body behind

1370
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:17,400
and we searched the whole area because

1371
00:56:21,410 --> 00:56:18,960
if we could find the body we're going to

1372
00:56:23,690 --> 00:56:21,420
bring it back and put it in my freezer

1373
00:56:25,790 --> 00:56:23,700
and he was going to do in the Topsy and

1374
00:56:27,290 --> 00:56:25,800
then we were going to call the whole

1375
00:56:29,390 --> 00:56:27,300
world to come in and see that's right

1376
00:56:32,990 --> 00:56:29,400
Ray santilly included the British guy

1377
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:33,000
who but we didn't find any bodies

1378
00:56:36,829 --> 00:56:35,520
so but we did five where it crashed what

1379
00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:36,839
year was it

1380
00:56:42,170 --> 00:56:41,040
I don't know 60s 70s 70s okay so do you

1381
00:56:44,210 --> 00:56:42,180
remember when the people were coming

1382
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:44,220
Running Out of the Woods did you see any

1383
00:56:49,790 --> 00:56:46,559
object impacted did you see I didn't say

1384
00:56:53,329 --> 00:56:49,800
that no but what happened is

1385
00:56:55,790 --> 00:56:53,339
what When the UFO okay this man is

1386
00:56:59,210 --> 00:56:55,800
stopped at a stop sign

1387
00:57:02,150 --> 00:56:59,220
and the UFO Came Crashing my straight

1388
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:02,160
down just missed his truck and then it

1389
00:57:06,530 --> 00:57:04,319
went along through the woods and it cut

1390
00:57:07,849 --> 00:57:06,540
the trees right off

1391
00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:07,859
and

1392
00:57:20,690 --> 00:57:17,520
after the UFO following with all these

1393
00:57:22,490 --> 00:57:20,700
trees are crashing now

1394
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:22,500
and that's when I got them all to come

1395
00:57:30,829 --> 00:57:25,200
back and go home and forget it

1396
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:30,839
so UFO crashes are frequent then uh

1397
00:57:37,069 --> 00:57:33,359
well I think probably quite a few quite

1398
00:57:38,930 --> 00:57:37,079
often a craft malfunctions and then they

1399
00:57:40,910 --> 00:57:38,940
get out and you repair it and take off

1400
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:40,920
do you think the military has ever shot

1401
00:57:45,710 --> 00:57:43,920
down a UFO Leah Haley in Pensacola

1402
00:57:47,630 --> 00:57:45,720
Florida claims to have been on board and

1403
00:57:49,549 --> 00:57:47,640
abducted by a UFO that was shot down by

1404
00:57:51,349 --> 00:57:49,559
an electromagnetic pulse beam Weapon by

1405
00:57:53,630 --> 00:57:51,359
the United States Air Force in Eglin Air

1406
00:57:56,809 --> 00:57:53,640
Force Base

1407
00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:56,819
you don't you don't buy that at all

1408
00:58:06,890 --> 00:58:04,190
that they shot a piece off from a UFO

1409
00:58:08,270 --> 00:58:06,900
and they send it outside this country to

1410
00:58:10,609 --> 00:58:08,280
be analyzed

1411
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:10,619
and the scientists in that country were

1412
00:58:15,290 --> 00:58:12,720
not able to analyze it

1413
00:58:17,930 --> 00:58:15,300
and so the scientists took it and put it

1414
00:58:22,730 --> 00:58:17,940
packed it away up in his attic

1415
00:58:25,609 --> 00:58:22,740
and in 1975 the CIA called and said send

1416
00:58:27,230 --> 00:58:25,619
it back so they had to go in the Attic

1417
00:58:28,910 --> 00:58:27,240
they're sputtering got to go up there

1418
00:58:31,510 --> 00:58:28,920
and go through all those boxes get that

1419
00:58:34,430 --> 00:58:31,520
damn piece out send it back

1420
00:58:37,309 --> 00:58:34,440
parts are coming forward now to the

1421
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:37,319
international UFO Museum in Roswell some

1422
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:39,440
claiming to be of extraterrestrial

1423
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:42,240
origin some has been traced back to just

1424
00:58:47,750 --> 00:58:44,400
some China or Pottery maker in Denver

1425
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:47,760
Colorado I saw the pieces of debris it

1426
00:58:51,309 --> 00:58:49,680
looked to be some sort of piece off a

1427
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:51,319
bumper of a Volkswagen in my opinion

1428
00:58:55,490 --> 00:58:53,760
you've got the charlatans the hoaxers

1429
00:58:58,430 --> 00:58:55,500
that are going to come forward and say

1430
00:59:01,450 --> 00:58:58,440
that this is a piece of a UFO when it is

1431
00:59:03,710 --> 00:59:01,460
indeed is not and then you have other

1432
00:59:06,349 --> 00:59:03,720
pieces of material that have an odd

1433
00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:06,359
Metallurgy to them and odd um Atomic and

1434
00:59:11,630 --> 00:59:09,359
isotopic structure so what you're saying

1435
00:59:13,270 --> 00:59:11,640
oh I've had stuff analyzed that I've

1436
00:59:16,309 --> 00:59:13,280
picked up from UFOs

1437
00:59:17,930 --> 00:59:16,319
uh most of the stuff no matter what it

1438
00:59:20,809 --> 00:59:17,940
looks like it feels like

1439
00:59:21,770 --> 00:59:20,819
the puzzling thing is it dissolves in

1440
00:59:24,109 --> 00:59:21,780
water

1441
00:59:26,750 --> 00:59:24,119
that they can't figure out

1442
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:26,760
almost is it gelatin like something no

1443
00:59:33,230 --> 00:59:30,000
no it just falls apart

1444
00:59:36,170 --> 00:59:33,240
and and it's like no it's like

1445
00:59:39,230 --> 00:59:36,180
do you think the UFOs are seen

1446
00:59:41,470 --> 00:59:39,240
over military bases more over High

1447
00:59:44,030 --> 00:59:41,480
mineral content areas more over

1448
00:59:46,130 --> 00:59:44,040
anomalous magnetic areas what's your

1449
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:46,140
take you mentioned prior to going on the

1450
00:59:51,710 --> 00:59:48,000
air here about them emanating from the

1451
00:59:53,750 --> 00:59:51,720
Arctic Circle well here because

1452
00:59:56,089 --> 00:59:53,760
well he did have peace Air Force Base

1453
00:59:58,789 --> 00:59:56,099
but we haven't had it since the 18 since

1454
01:00:01,430 --> 00:59:58,799
the 1980s sometime peace was a Strategic

1455
01:00:02,890 --> 01:00:01,440
Air Command uh Depot there were nuclear

1456
01:00:08,690 --> 01:00:02,900
weapons

1457
01:00:10,490 --> 01:00:08,700
and the MPS used to go out with their

1458
01:00:13,549 --> 01:00:10,500
blue lights flashing

1459
01:00:15,170 --> 01:00:13,559
and then the UFOs would take off or the

1460
01:00:16,490 --> 01:00:15,180
police would leave and the UFOs would

1461
01:00:18,770 --> 01:00:16,500
come back so after a while they just

1462
01:00:20,270 --> 01:00:18,780
left them alone early on

1463
01:00:22,309 --> 01:00:20,280
um so this was frequent at peace Air

1464
01:00:23,630 --> 01:00:22,319
Force oh yeah so early on I'm sure they

1465
01:00:25,789 --> 01:00:23,640
scrambled Fighters but after a while

1466
01:00:28,309 --> 01:00:25,799
they decided that it was just a waste of

1467
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:28,319
time and um that sometimes they send

1468
01:00:32,030 --> 01:00:30,480
planes up to just follow them see where

1469
01:00:34,670 --> 01:00:32,040
they're going what are they doing but

1470
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:34,680
not in an offensive yeah just in a

1471
01:00:39,710 --> 01:00:36,720
reconnaissance reconnaissance I think

1472
01:00:40,970 --> 01:00:39,720
just looking for information I don't

1473
01:00:43,970 --> 01:00:40,980
think I don't think peas would have

1474
01:00:45,289 --> 01:00:43,980
around shooting at them everybody in New

1475
01:00:47,150 --> 01:00:45,299
Hampshire would disagreement that's

1476
01:00:49,010 --> 01:00:47,160
right they call attention onto

1477
01:00:50,329 --> 01:00:49,020
themselves so so Betty they come there

1478
01:00:52,010 --> 01:00:50,339
do you agree then there with that

1479
01:00:53,630 --> 01:00:52,020
assessment that UFOs are seen over uh

1480
01:00:55,730 --> 01:00:53,640
since the military installations that

1481
01:00:58,069 --> 01:00:55,740
deal with nuclear weapons High mineral

1482
01:01:00,650 --> 01:00:58,079
content areas

1483
01:01:03,589 --> 01:01:00,660
um here they follow Rivers

1484
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:03,599
for navigation they follow rivers and

1485
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:05,760
they used to follow railroad tracks but

1486
01:01:09,170 --> 01:01:07,440
not so much now because we don't have

1487
01:01:12,170 --> 01:01:09,180
that many railroads so they did need

1488
01:01:14,210 --> 01:01:12,180
lines of navigation right okay and now

1489
01:01:16,549 --> 01:01:14,220
Pilots have told me

1490
01:01:20,630 --> 01:01:16,559
of that maybe the reason they come in

1491
01:01:23,270 --> 01:01:20,640
here so often is when they're flying in

1492
01:01:25,250 --> 01:01:23,280
when you look down you see Cape Cod

1493
01:01:27,770 --> 01:01:25,260
the shape of the land

1494
01:01:29,390 --> 01:01:27,780
there's no other place in the world with

1495
01:01:30,289 --> 01:01:29,400
the land shaped in that pattern that's

1496
01:01:32,450 --> 01:01:30,299
correct

1497
01:01:35,569 --> 01:01:32,460
and so maybe that's why they come in

1498
01:01:37,069 --> 01:01:35,579
here it's easy to identify from outer

1499
01:01:38,450 --> 01:01:37,079
space right

1500
01:01:43,789 --> 01:01:38,460
let's talk about

1501
01:01:46,250 --> 01:01:43,799
um the alien subculture I've seen the

1502
01:01:48,349 --> 01:01:46,260
alien interview film that supposedly

1503
01:01:51,230 --> 01:01:48,359
emanated from Area 51 where they have

1504
01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:51,240
this bulbous head entity frankly it

1505
01:01:55,250 --> 01:01:53,280
looks like one of Jim Henson's mutated

1506
01:01:57,410 --> 01:01:55,260
Muppets but they have this bulbous

1507
01:01:59,630 --> 01:01:57,420
entity in this enclosure

1508
01:02:01,789 --> 01:01:59,640
and some sort of scientist or doctor

1509
01:02:03,829 --> 01:02:01,799
trying to communicate it communicate

1510
01:02:04,930 --> 01:02:03,839
with this XD it has convulsion and

1511
01:02:08,089 --> 01:02:04,940
collapses

1512
01:02:09,950 --> 01:02:08,099
uh you've seen the Russian the Russian

1513
01:02:13,069 --> 01:02:09,960
flying saucer crash footage that came

1514
01:02:15,230 --> 01:02:13,079
out on TNT a few years ago uh along with

1515
01:02:18,170 --> 01:02:15,240
the sperm lost which was a

1516
01:02:19,549 --> 01:02:18,180
cadaver uh apparently recovered by the

1517
01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:19,559
Soviets and then you had the famous

1518
01:02:25,010 --> 01:02:22,559
alien autopsy footage so okay I saw the

1519
01:02:27,530 --> 01:02:25,020
uh one of the

1520
01:02:29,630 --> 01:02:27,540
small craft that crashed in the Soviet

1521
01:02:31,970 --> 01:02:29,640
Union I saw that on TV where they

1522
01:02:34,609 --> 01:02:31,980
recovered the box right I believe that

1523
01:02:37,250 --> 01:02:34,619
so you believe in aliens my take is if

1524
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:37,260
if there are UFO crashes then there have

1525
01:02:40,010 --> 01:02:38,640
to be occupants if they're occupants

1526
01:02:41,569 --> 01:02:40,020
some have to be dead some have to be

1527
01:02:43,789 --> 01:02:41,579
alive if they're dead then they have to

1528
01:02:45,109 --> 01:02:43,799
be autopsy to pay autopsy if you can bet

1529
01:02:47,510 --> 01:02:45,119
that the military is going to film them

1530
01:02:51,289 --> 01:02:47,520
hence there is autopsy footage the

1531
01:02:52,910 --> 01:02:51,299
question begs is the alien autopsy

1532
01:02:55,250 --> 01:02:52,920
footage that was circulated four years

1533
01:02:58,390 --> 01:02:55,260
ago by Ray santilly do you believe that

1534
01:03:02,089 --> 01:02:58,400
to be authentic or not

1535
01:03:04,609 --> 01:03:02,099
actually that body looks more like

1536
01:03:06,829 --> 01:03:04,619
the astronauts and any other pictures

1537
01:03:08,289 --> 01:03:06,839
I've seen very good point I never I

1538
01:03:11,089 --> 01:03:08,299
never correlated that but that that

1539
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:11,099
looks more like very similar to what's

1540
01:03:15,230 --> 01:03:13,440
our friend's name again here junior yeah

1541
01:03:16,870 --> 01:03:15,240
it looks it does look very similar to

1542
01:03:20,329 --> 01:03:16,880
Junior

1543
01:03:22,670 --> 01:03:20,339
in fact we saw a UFO person

1544
01:03:25,069 --> 01:03:22,680
it looked very much like the one in that

1545
01:03:27,530 --> 01:03:25,079
film where did you see this on board the

1546
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:27,540
craft and you were taken okay okay so I

1547
01:03:30,230 --> 01:03:29,280
think in the film they said it was a

1548
01:03:32,690 --> 01:03:30,240
woman

1549
01:03:34,490 --> 01:03:32,700
and the autopsy right see

1550
01:03:36,230 --> 01:03:34,500
if you really look at them there's no

1551
01:03:38,510 --> 01:03:36,240
way to tell mail from that thing their

1552
01:03:40,609 --> 01:03:38,520
eunuch almost neither male nor female I

1553
01:03:42,589 --> 01:03:40,619
mean no proof no how you gonna wear

1554
01:03:45,849 --> 01:03:42,599
earrings if it don't happen to anybody

1555
01:03:49,130 --> 01:03:45,859
yes that's right

1556
01:03:51,230 --> 01:03:49,140
and no curls if you know hair you have

1557
01:03:53,270 --> 01:03:51,240
no girls no need for conditioner or

1558
01:03:54,829 --> 01:03:53,280
rinses either right

1559
01:03:56,030 --> 01:03:54,839
um so let's talk about government

1560
01:03:57,289 --> 01:03:56,040
interference government has never

1561
01:03:58,789 --> 01:03:57,299
interfered with your life they haven't

1562
01:04:00,530 --> 01:03:58,799
stalked on you in fact they've been just

1563
01:04:02,270 --> 01:04:00,540
the opposite the government has been

1564
01:04:04,730 --> 01:04:02,280
kind of Eddie Hill always inquiring

1565
01:04:06,710 --> 01:04:04,740
about information cordial uh never

1566
01:04:08,329 --> 01:04:06,720
threatening I want to talk to you about

1567
01:04:10,970 --> 01:04:08,339
Men In Black

1568
01:04:13,849 --> 01:04:10,980
um these are supposedly secret uh

1569
01:04:16,849 --> 01:04:13,859
government agents with agendas or aliens

1570
01:04:18,950 --> 01:04:16,859
trying to manifest themselves in a human

1571
01:04:20,270 --> 01:04:18,960
form what's your take on Men In Black

1572
01:04:21,530 --> 01:04:20,280
have you ever seen them have you ever

1573
01:04:24,049 --> 01:04:21,540
talked to anybody that's that's

1574
01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:24,059
encountered Men In Black I've met a lot

1575
01:04:28,190 --> 01:04:25,680
of Men In Black but they're never any

1576
01:04:30,650 --> 01:04:28,200
threat okay so so and then nothing to do

1577
01:04:33,650 --> 01:04:30,660
with you okay so so that that we just

1578
01:04:36,289 --> 01:04:33,660
spelled out I ask you about you Usos

1579
01:04:38,690 --> 01:04:36,299
that's unidentified submerged objects do

1580
01:04:40,370 --> 01:04:38,700
you think that UFOs can go underwater I

1581
01:04:42,349 --> 01:04:40,380
know they can

1582
01:04:43,849 --> 01:04:42,359
elaborate on that please they go

1583
01:04:44,990 --> 01:04:43,859
underwater all the time because it's a

1584
01:04:47,270 --> 01:04:45,000
great hiding place they won't be

1585
01:04:50,210 --> 01:04:47,280
disturbed well no I wasn't there but

1586
01:04:53,450 --> 01:04:50,220
down here in new wall of Sands

1587
01:04:55,190 --> 01:04:53,460
the beach uh Sunday afternoon and this

1588
01:04:59,150 --> 01:04:55,200
report came from England

1589
01:05:01,010 --> 01:04:59,160
I was like man Daya apparently the UFO

1590
01:05:04,250 --> 01:05:01,020
investigator visiting someone in this

1591
01:05:05,630 --> 01:05:04,260
area he's down on the beach the UFO came

1592
01:05:09,289 --> 01:05:05,640
along

1593
01:05:11,450 --> 01:05:09,299
but died down in the water

1594
01:05:13,549 --> 01:05:11,460
and then later came up again and the

1595
01:05:14,809 --> 01:05:13,559
beach was crowded hundreds of people saw

1596
01:05:16,130 --> 01:05:14,819
it wow

1597
01:05:17,750 --> 01:05:16,140
wow there was an incident in New

1598
01:05:19,730 --> 01:05:17,760
Hampshire where I believe around the

1599
01:05:21,230 --> 01:05:19,740
time of your I don't want to say maybe

1600
01:05:23,210 --> 01:05:21,240
the late 60s where something plummeted

1601
01:05:25,730 --> 01:05:23,220
through the ice of a lake which caused a

1602
01:05:26,809 --> 01:05:25,740
stirring a commotion do you recall that

1603
01:05:31,190 --> 01:05:26,819
yeah

1604
01:05:32,630 --> 01:05:31,200
as to what you recall I'm trying to

1605
01:05:34,130 --> 01:05:32,640
think of the man's name

1606
01:05:36,710 --> 01:05:34,140
he lives right up the street from my

1607
01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:36,720
cousin but I heard it by

1608
01:05:41,329 --> 01:05:39,599
call and then other organizations

1609
01:05:43,010 --> 01:05:41,339
will call them peas to get information

1610
01:05:44,270 --> 01:05:43,020
and they would tell them everybody to

1611
01:05:46,910 --> 01:05:44,280
call me

1612
01:05:49,910 --> 01:05:46,920
ah okay so in other words it was a cold

1613
01:05:52,370 --> 01:05:49,920
Winter's day uh we plummeted through the

1614
01:05:54,710 --> 01:05:52,380
ice of a lake in New Hampshire this man

1615
01:05:56,510 --> 01:05:54,720
was a contractor and a lot of green foam

1616
01:05:59,510 --> 01:05:56,520
scene or something to that effect this

1617
01:06:01,789 --> 01:05:59,520
man was a contractor he built houses and

1618
01:06:04,549 --> 01:06:01,799
this is the middle of a blizzard

1619
01:06:05,690 --> 01:06:04,559
heavy heavy snow 20 below zero

1620
01:06:07,789 --> 01:06:05,700
temperature

1621
01:06:11,690 --> 01:06:07,799
and he's standing looking out the door

1622
01:06:13,010 --> 01:06:11,700
when he says that this uh

1623
01:06:16,670 --> 01:06:13,020
pond

1624
01:06:22,849 --> 01:06:19,910
at 20 below zero so he went out

1625
01:06:23,930 --> 01:06:22,859
and saw that there was this Rod at the

1626
01:06:25,910 --> 01:06:23,940
bottom

1627
01:06:27,410 --> 01:06:25,920
of this little pond

1628
01:06:29,210 --> 01:06:27,420
and I believe a green foam or something

1629
01:06:32,029 --> 01:06:29,220
like that also odd bubbling or nothing

1630
01:06:34,190 --> 01:06:32,039
oh he just saw it down then he

1631
01:06:37,069 --> 01:06:34,200
let's throw puzzle so he thought well

1632
01:06:40,010 --> 01:06:37,079
he'd go get something and pull it out

1633
01:06:42,349 --> 01:06:40,020
and then like he got a rake and he said

1634
01:06:43,609 --> 01:06:42,359
told me he got out there and he looked

1635
01:06:46,190 --> 01:06:43,619
at it and he said what if it's

1636
01:06:49,069 --> 01:06:46,200
electrical and it's in water and I got a

1637
01:06:52,190 --> 01:06:49,079
metal leg a metal rake

1638
01:06:54,109 --> 01:06:52,200
I could get killed sure electrocuted so

1639
01:06:55,910 --> 01:06:54,119
he said well he'd wait see what happened

1640
01:06:58,430 --> 01:06:55,920
he went back in my house and later a

1641
01:07:00,470 --> 01:06:58,440
friend came and he showed it to his

1642
01:07:03,529 --> 01:07:00,480
friend now his friend

1643
01:07:06,289 --> 01:07:03,539
call the police or somebody and that's

1644
01:07:08,270 --> 01:07:06,299
how they got involved

1645
01:07:10,609 --> 01:07:08,280
and then because the governor got

1646
01:07:13,069 --> 01:07:10,619
involved everybody broke off the area

1647
01:07:15,829 --> 01:07:13,079
and Melton Thompson I believe was the

1648
01:07:17,210 --> 01:07:15,839
government yeah Governor at the time and

1649
01:07:20,270 --> 01:07:17,220
they claimed they couldn't find anything

1650
01:07:23,150 --> 01:07:20,280
other people claimed that they actually

1651
01:07:25,190 --> 01:07:23,160
saw them take this Rod like thing out of

1652
01:07:27,109 --> 01:07:25,200
the water and all have you been to the

1653
01:07:29,210 --> 01:07:27,119
Nazca Lines in Peru those are the

1654
01:07:31,730 --> 01:07:29,220
depictions of the Peruvian Plains the

1655
01:07:34,309 --> 01:07:31,740
desert that uh supposedly are runways or

1656
01:07:35,930 --> 01:07:34,319
Chariots of the Gods Eric mondonican who

1657
01:07:38,470 --> 01:07:35,940
I'm sure you've met and spoken several

1658
01:07:40,670 --> 01:07:38,480
times we had a bottle of wine together

1659
01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:40,680
all right I had a beer with Stan

1660
01:07:44,710 --> 01:07:43,920
Friedman he's the Roswell researcher so

1661
01:07:46,910 --> 01:07:44,720
um

1662
01:07:49,490 --> 01:07:46,920
Stan Friedman

1663
01:07:52,789 --> 01:07:49,500
was one of the first people

1664
01:07:55,130 --> 01:07:52,799
we well not not the first but

1665
01:07:57,109 --> 01:07:55,140
um besides the ones from Washington Stan

1666
01:07:59,930 --> 01:07:57,119
was the first one we met

1667
01:08:03,130 --> 01:07:59,940
who are not government connected a

1668
01:08:05,450 --> 01:08:03,140
nuclear physicist itinerant yeah

1669
01:08:08,210 --> 01:08:05,460
Bonnie and I were going to do a program

1670
01:08:09,589 --> 01:08:08,220
uh Phil Donahue show um

1671
01:08:12,230 --> 01:08:09,599
and

1672
01:08:14,210 --> 01:08:12,240
we'd

1673
01:08:17,450 --> 01:08:14,220
I think it was Dr I'm not sure why

1674
01:08:18,530 --> 01:08:17,460
Pittsburgh pittsfield's Pittsburgh and

1675
01:08:20,809 --> 01:08:18,540
then uh

1676
01:08:23,030 --> 01:08:20,819
Stan heard we were there and he called

1677
01:08:26,209 --> 01:08:23,040
us and came by and we met

1678
01:08:27,410 --> 01:08:26,219
yeah and we still keep in touch

1679
01:08:30,169 --> 01:08:27,420
you've been to Gulf Breeze Florida

1680
01:08:31,849 --> 01:08:30,179
Pensacola which is the site of Hurlburt

1681
01:08:34,430 --> 01:08:31,859
um field which is Special Operations

1682
01:08:35,930 --> 01:08:34,440
highly trained military operatives uh

1683
01:08:37,430 --> 01:08:35,940
with the well they're independent of the

1684
01:08:39,410 --> 01:08:37,440
army and Air Force there are some of our

1685
01:08:40,910 --> 01:08:39,420
highly skilled troops you've got Eglin

1686
01:08:42,650 --> 01:08:40,920
Air Force Base highly sensitive

1687
01:08:45,050 --> 01:08:42,660
Installation Fort Walton Beach Fort

1688
01:08:46,490 --> 01:08:45,060
Walton Beach you know it Pensacola Bay

1689
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:46,500
and hence we have a man by the name of

1690
01:08:51,590 --> 01:08:49,440
Ed Walters uh November 1987. I've done

1691
01:08:53,030 --> 01:08:51,600
that starts starts taking pictures of

1692
01:08:54,229 --> 01:08:53,040
these odd crafts people are saying

1693
01:08:56,450 --> 01:08:54,239
they're hoaxed I've spoken with Ed

1694
01:08:59,030 --> 01:08:56,460
Walters um the jury's still out in my

1695
01:09:01,010 --> 01:08:59,040
opinion at Walters a group forums called

1696
01:09:03,470 --> 01:09:01,020
the Watchers they sit at Shoreline Park

1697
01:09:05,809 --> 01:09:03,480
looking over Pensacola Bay Santa Rosa

1698
01:09:08,570 --> 01:09:05,819
sound every night and see what people

1699
01:09:10,189 --> 01:09:08,580
say our UFOs on demand I take the trip

1700
01:09:11,809 --> 01:09:10,199
down the Gulf Breeze I sit with these

1701
01:09:13,309 --> 01:09:11,819
people and they're oohing and ironing up

1702
01:09:15,530 --> 01:09:13,319
these red lights I said look at there's

1703
01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:15,540
a UFO I said no that's a plane a taxiing

1704
01:09:18,349 --> 01:09:17,040
plane on the way into Eglin well what

1705
01:09:20,090 --> 01:09:18,359
about that one over there I said near

1706
01:09:22,010 --> 01:09:20,100
the radio tower they said no no right

1707
01:09:24,349 --> 01:09:22,020
there and I said that is the radio tower

1708
01:09:25,789 --> 01:09:24,359
another one uh woman says these we see

1709
01:09:27,890 --> 01:09:25,799
these red lights traveling along the

1710
01:09:29,150 --> 01:09:27,900
surface of Santa Rosa sound and I see

1711
01:09:31,189 --> 01:09:29,160
like those ones out there she goes there

1712
01:09:32,930 --> 01:09:31,199
you go UFO and I said the cartel lights

1713
01:09:35,090 --> 01:09:32,940
you can see the car driving out so I've

1714
01:09:38,390 --> 01:09:35,100
sat with these Watchers and they cannot

1715
01:09:39,890 --> 01:09:38,400
identify an aircraft let alone a star in

1716
01:09:41,689 --> 01:09:39,900
the sky

1717
01:09:43,910 --> 01:09:41,699
um I think people were they were

1718
01:09:46,090 --> 01:09:43,920
desperately wanted to see UFOs and they

1719
01:09:49,849 --> 01:09:46,100
got them but they got mundane phenomena

1720
01:09:52,490 --> 01:09:49,859
unfortunately I don't think anybody I

1721
01:09:55,910 --> 01:09:52,500
saw the original tape

1722
01:09:59,090 --> 01:09:55,920
that Ed Walt has made of a UFO it was a

1723
01:10:01,669 --> 01:09:59,100
UFO now I don't know about any

1724
01:10:04,189 --> 01:10:01,679
enlargements or any of those things

1725
01:10:08,030 --> 01:10:04,199
but I also saw the spot where the UFO

1726
01:10:10,250 --> 01:10:08,040
landed left Max in the ground

1727
01:10:12,770 --> 01:10:10,260
I don't have a beat now this was a thing

1728
01:10:14,450 --> 01:10:12,780
okay first of all I have friends that

1729
01:10:17,150 --> 01:10:14,460
lived at Fort Walton Beach

1730
01:10:18,290 --> 01:10:17,160
and I go down and stay three or four or

1731
01:10:19,550 --> 01:10:18,300
five days

1732
01:10:22,250 --> 01:10:19,560
well

1733
01:10:25,550 --> 01:10:22,260
I would go down there and people would

1734
01:10:27,830 --> 01:10:25,560
ask me all about UFOs and I would say if

1735
01:10:30,050 --> 01:10:27,840
you see a UFO do what we do in New

1736
01:10:33,410 --> 01:10:30,060
Hampshire take your camera and film it

1737
01:10:39,050 --> 01:10:36,290
and this photos were spectacular the

1738
01:10:41,270 --> 01:10:39,060
Watchers meanwhile the original filament

1739
01:10:44,570 --> 01:10:41,280
was not spectacular it was just a plain

1740
01:10:47,630 --> 01:10:44,580
ordinary red glowing UFO

1741
01:10:49,550 --> 01:10:47,640
and it landed in the school yet

1742
01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:49,560
and it left Max

1743
01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:51,120
and then the definition of the object

1744
01:10:57,530 --> 01:10:53,520
took shape in the photographs okay now

1745
01:11:00,410 --> 01:10:57,540
the enlargement I've never seen a UFOs

1746
01:11:02,689 --> 01:11:00,420
that kind of UFO and a Peabody could be

1747
01:11:04,430 --> 01:11:02,699
people tried to claim that Ed Walters

1748
01:11:05,930 --> 01:11:04,440
hosted yet there were other people that

1749
01:11:07,790 --> 01:11:05,940
unbeknownst to Ed Walters that were

1750
01:11:09,649 --> 01:11:07,800
seeing the exact same type of crap in

1751
01:11:12,350 --> 01:11:09,659
the sky at the exact same time that Ed

1752
01:11:14,149 --> 01:11:12,360
Walters was you know so in my opinion

1753
01:11:16,450 --> 01:11:14,159
Walters could be the victim of a hoax

1754
01:11:19,189 --> 01:11:16,460
but he was not the hoaxer

1755
01:11:21,770 --> 01:11:19,199
I talked with people if all you got to

1756
01:11:24,070 --> 01:11:21,780
do is go to Pensacola go back to old

1757
01:11:26,810 --> 01:11:24,080
papers 1950

1758
01:11:29,390 --> 01:11:26,820
1960s and you're going to find all kinds

1759
01:11:30,950 --> 01:11:29,400
of reports that you opposed they're not

1760
01:11:33,169 --> 01:11:30,960
new there they've been there for years

1761
01:11:34,189 --> 01:11:33,179
that's right now and again I'm gonna I

1762
01:11:38,169 --> 01:11:34,199
call

1763
01:11:41,090 --> 01:11:38,179
a Pensacola Eglin Air Force Base area

1764
01:11:42,890 --> 01:11:41,100
51.1 golf though I call it because it's

1765
01:11:44,630 --> 01:11:42,900
a sensitive installation we've got the

1766
01:11:47,810 --> 01:11:44,640
gulf test range where we run missile

1767
01:11:49,850 --> 01:11:47,820
runs uh torpedo runs we ran in World War

1768
01:11:51,830 --> 01:11:49,860
II we trained our Pilots out there but

1769
01:11:54,050 --> 01:11:51,840
it's a sensitive area and again getting

1770
01:11:55,850 --> 01:11:54,060
back to if UFOs are visiting they're

1771
01:11:57,229 --> 01:11:55,860
going to go to where the party is where

1772
01:11:58,970 --> 01:11:57,239
the where we want to know where the

1773
01:12:00,830 --> 01:11:58,980
entertaining people are you'd be over

1774
01:12:02,390 --> 01:12:00,840
Los Alamos you'd be over Sandia

1775
01:12:04,610 --> 01:12:02,400
Laboratories and Albuquerque you'd

1776
01:12:06,470 --> 01:12:04,620
certainly go to Eglin and you'd go as we

1777
01:12:08,990 --> 01:12:06,480
mentioned Area 51 what's your take on

1778
01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:09,000
Area 51 Betty do you think that they're

1779
01:12:14,030 --> 01:12:11,760
hiding I don't think that's UFOs okay

1780
01:12:16,550 --> 01:12:14,040
you know what I think it is I think it's

1781
01:12:18,169 --> 01:12:16,560
when we captured planes from other

1782
01:12:21,169 --> 01:12:18,179
countries and we're testing them out we

1783
01:12:24,530 --> 01:12:21,179
did an area 51. also the last thing I

1784
01:12:28,010 --> 01:12:24,540
read was that area was so polluted with

1785
01:12:30,229 --> 01:12:28,020
radioactivity they moved everybody out

1786
01:12:31,970 --> 01:12:30,239
so you and I think alike in that respect

1787
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:31,980
I think that there are black aircraft

1788
01:12:37,370 --> 01:12:35,040
like the SR-71 the F-117 Stealth fighter

1789
01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:37,380
B2 bomber and their red aircraft the

1790
01:12:41,630 --> 01:12:39,600
Operation Red Hat they run red flag

1791
01:12:43,910 --> 01:12:41,640
games out there whereby they take their

1792
01:12:45,470 --> 01:12:43,920
enemies aircraft the Soviet Union migs

1793
01:12:47,209 --> 01:12:45,480
and they test them they want to find

1794
01:12:49,189 --> 01:12:47,219
their Achilles heal their weaknesses so

1795
01:12:50,930 --> 01:12:49,199
you'll continually so why not put up a

1796
01:12:52,729 --> 01:12:50,940
UFO story yeah we could fly in saucers

1797
01:12:55,790 --> 01:12:52,739
here when the real agenda is we've got

1798
01:12:57,350 --> 01:12:55,800
Soviet aircraft moreover we've got a lot

1799
01:12:58,910 --> 01:12:57,360
of Soviet aircraft and if you can

1800
01:13:01,250 --> 01:12:58,920
imagine if they could deploy those

1801
01:13:03,709 --> 01:13:01,260
aircraft in an arena of combat under

1802
01:13:05,870 --> 01:13:03,719
their enemies colors there you go so the

1803
01:13:08,090 --> 01:13:05,880
government that's why they never sought

1804
01:13:09,950 --> 01:13:08,100
to quell the talk about UFOs they just

1805
01:13:12,110 --> 01:13:09,960
didn't want you to look at the base you

1806
01:13:14,030 --> 01:13:12,120
know you could talk about UFOs there and

1807
01:13:16,250 --> 01:13:14,040
it also if it's polluted with all this

1808
01:13:17,810 --> 01:13:16,260
radiation sure I mean it's also could be

1809
01:13:19,550 --> 01:13:17,820
a health Factor there were a lot of

1810
01:13:22,490 --> 01:13:19,560
nuclear shots out there I mean it's

1811
01:13:24,470 --> 01:13:22,500
still cratered to this very day yep so

1812
01:13:26,689 --> 01:13:24,480
we basically um in this interview taking

1813
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:26,699
a walk across America discussed Roswell

1814
01:13:31,610 --> 01:13:29,760
Gulf Breeze Area 51 on hot spots of UFO

1815
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:31,620
phenomena do you think the Great Lakes

1816
01:13:35,209 --> 01:13:33,600
is a hot spot for UFOs do you believe in

1817
01:13:37,790 --> 01:13:35,219
something like the Great Lakes triangle

1818
01:13:38,930 --> 01:13:37,800
for instance oh I know there's a lot of

1819
01:13:41,930 --> 01:13:38,940
side names

1820
01:13:43,550 --> 01:13:41,940
they follow waterways

1821
01:13:46,010 --> 01:13:43,560
do you have any they go up the same

1822
01:13:48,110 --> 01:13:46,020
mother and thriva can you equate UFOs

1823
01:13:49,729 --> 01:13:48,120
with say instances in the Bermuda

1824
01:13:51,709 --> 01:13:49,739
Triangle or are they too separate and

1825
01:13:54,310 --> 01:13:51,719
distinct phenomena oh I think it's

1826
01:13:57,110 --> 01:13:54,320
separate this thing

1827
01:13:59,810 --> 01:13:57,120
Crossing into other areas of fortuna

1828
01:14:02,450 --> 01:13:59,820
like um say let's just talk sea monsters

1829
01:14:04,310 --> 01:14:02,460
you've been to Loch Ness beautiful place

1830
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:04,320
myself included you went probably the

1831
01:14:07,910 --> 01:14:06,000
drum netrocket which is the little Hub

1832
01:14:09,950 --> 01:14:07,920
of the lock did you ever see anything

1833
01:14:12,590 --> 01:14:09,960
strange that you see a UFO near Loch

1834
01:14:15,530 --> 01:14:12,600
Ness nope nothing nope just a beautiful

1835
01:14:17,270 --> 01:14:15,540
lock nope no circles and we went uh told

1836
01:14:22,689 --> 01:14:17,280
them we went all over England and

1837
01:14:27,590 --> 01:14:25,669
deep and entrenched in in the UK in the

1838
01:14:29,930 --> 01:14:27,600
United Kingdom they're seeing them just

1839
01:14:32,090 --> 01:14:29,940
like we are yeah in fact I just got a

1840
01:14:34,610 --> 01:14:32,100
card from a man he's the national

1841
01:14:36,649 --> 01:14:34,620
director of menza you know the men's of

1842
01:14:39,770 --> 01:14:36,659
short monster yeah he's the national

1843
01:14:41,750 --> 01:14:39,780
director of that in England and he's

1844
01:14:43,669 --> 01:14:41,760
also involved in UFOs

1845
01:14:46,189 --> 01:14:43,679
I was a member let's talk quickly about

1846
01:14:47,930 --> 01:14:46,199
UFO groups I was involved with buforo

1847
01:14:50,570 --> 01:14:47,940
which is the British UFO research

1848
01:14:52,910 --> 01:14:50,580
Association I'm a dissenting member of

1849
01:14:54,530 --> 01:14:52,920
mufon the mutual UFO Network I tend to

1850
01:14:56,510 --> 01:14:54,540
think that mufon collects all the UFO

1851
01:14:57,649 --> 01:14:56,520
reports and sits on them as if I think

1852
01:15:00,229 --> 01:14:57,659
out of greed that they're going to

1853
01:15:01,790 --> 01:15:00,239
either slip us the answer one day or

1854
01:15:03,890 --> 01:15:01,800
that's how can we put this into a

1855
01:15:05,090 --> 01:15:03,900
database and make some money and I've

1856
01:15:06,590 --> 01:15:05,100
known a lot of people that have sent

1857
01:15:08,689 --> 01:15:06,600
reports to move on trying to get

1858
01:15:10,850 --> 01:15:08,699
information on it or have a researcher

1859
01:15:13,250 --> 01:15:10,860
meet a dead-end door with old Walter

1860
01:15:15,050 --> 01:15:13,260
there and Walters retired nice man but

1861
01:15:17,030 --> 01:15:15,060
um there was a cloak of secrecy hence

1862
01:15:19,130 --> 01:15:17,040
that I think that muffon is a government

1863
01:15:21,290 --> 01:15:19,140
agency for UFOs what do you think of

1864
01:15:25,810 --> 01:15:21,300
that no because I don't think they get

1865
01:15:29,870 --> 01:15:25,820
enough valuable information yeah I agree

1866
01:15:32,030 --> 01:15:29,880
so yeah I know I've met Walt

1867
01:15:34,490 --> 01:15:32,040
um and John shoeslow who's going to take

1868
01:15:37,070 --> 01:15:34,500
over he and I've had contacts with each

1869
01:15:39,050 --> 01:15:37,080
other in fact I think John schussell was

1870
01:15:40,669 --> 01:15:39,060
there when Junior fell off the podium

1871
01:15:44,630 --> 01:15:40,679
and broke his head

1872
01:15:46,910 --> 01:15:44,640
and then uh Dwight Connolly who taken

1873
01:15:49,550 --> 01:15:46,920
over the editor of mufon has been here

1874
01:15:51,410 --> 01:15:49,560
you know I mean I have gotten tags with

1875
01:15:53,630 --> 01:15:51,420
these people so so these UFO

1876
01:15:56,209 --> 01:15:53,640
organizations are subjective in nature

1877
01:15:58,729 --> 01:15:56,219
um each state with its own little agenda

1878
01:16:00,530 --> 01:15:58,739
um on on on how you'll see your UFOs and

1879
01:16:02,810 --> 01:16:00,540
what your UFOs will look like that's the

1880
01:16:04,970 --> 01:16:02,820
that's the idea I got dealing with uh

1881
01:16:07,490 --> 01:16:04,980
move on people they're set in their ways

1882
01:16:09,709 --> 01:16:07,500
as far as what happens some are are so

1883
01:16:11,209 --> 01:16:09,719
bizarre and out there in the field

1884
01:16:13,610 --> 01:16:11,219
um that you don't know what to believe

1885
01:16:15,590 --> 01:16:13,620
so so you've got that that's where the

1886
01:16:17,930 --> 01:16:15,600
science breaks out in Fishers you've got

1887
01:16:20,209 --> 01:16:17,940
individual organizations with their own

1888
01:16:23,810 --> 01:16:20,219
individual perception of what a UFO

1889
01:16:25,010 --> 01:16:23,820
should or behave like and they don't you

1890
01:16:26,750 --> 01:16:25,020
never know what they're going to do so

1891
01:16:28,250 --> 01:16:26,760
it's a game a massive game of pin the

1892
01:16:29,750 --> 01:16:28,260
tail on donkey and a lot of people are

1893
01:16:31,370 --> 01:16:29,760
getting poked in the you know what yeah

1894
01:16:33,229 --> 01:16:31,380
because people are feeling for the

1895
01:16:35,030 --> 01:16:33,239
answers everybody seems to think that

1896
01:16:37,790 --> 01:16:35,040
they have the answer when in fact maybe

1897
01:16:39,229 --> 01:16:37,800
we all have a certain piece uh to the

1898
01:16:41,750 --> 01:16:39,239
phenomenal

1899
01:16:43,550 --> 01:16:41,760
um have you ever seen Bigfoot Betty have

1900
01:16:45,950 --> 01:16:43,560
I mean one of the things that I I

1901
01:16:49,070 --> 01:16:45,960
research a Bigfoot in the New England

1902
01:16:51,410 --> 01:16:49,080
area no I have never seen Bigfoot

1903
01:16:53,830 --> 01:16:51,420
however I think maybe he might have run

1904
01:16:56,990 --> 01:16:53,840
through my mother Chad one night

1905
01:16:58,669 --> 01:16:57,000
yeah because the whole ground shook and

1906
01:16:59,450 --> 01:16:58,679
we kept hearing this little noise and we

1907
01:17:02,330 --> 01:16:59,460
thought

1908
01:17:04,430 --> 01:17:02,340
it's too big for bail

1909
01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:04,440
so we picked up sticks and we're hitting

1910
01:17:07,669 --> 01:17:05,760
the ground

1911
01:17:09,890 --> 01:17:07,679
that's what you do to keep a bear away

1912
01:17:11,510 --> 01:17:09,900
oh that's what I don't know I never met

1913
01:17:13,910 --> 01:17:11,520
a bear face to face but that's what

1914
01:17:16,130 --> 01:17:13,920
we've been told so you would not equate

1915
01:17:18,830 --> 01:17:16,140
them with UFOs because yes I would okay

1916
01:17:22,250 --> 01:17:18,840
oh please I think

1917
01:17:24,709 --> 01:17:22,260
uh now I say this now basically

1918
01:17:27,649 --> 01:17:24,719
I think you are Bigfoot is on this

1919
01:17:28,850 --> 01:17:27,659
planet okay but I there have been

1920
01:17:32,330 --> 01:17:28,860
reports

1921
01:17:34,610 --> 01:17:32,340
of a UFO landing

1922
01:17:37,010 --> 01:17:34,620
and one footprint

1923
01:17:39,169 --> 01:17:37,020
by the door of the UFO

1924
01:17:41,149 --> 01:17:39,179
and to make fun and there's only one

1925
01:17:43,370 --> 01:17:41,159
print so it's like

1926
01:17:44,510 --> 01:17:43,380
he put one foot out looks around gets

1927
01:17:46,669 --> 01:17:44,520
back in

1928
01:17:49,070 --> 01:17:46,679
I mean something's got a huge foot so

1929
01:17:51,290 --> 01:17:49,080
these cases of the equation between

1930
01:17:53,450 --> 01:17:51,300
Bigfoot and UFO phenomena at least have

1931
01:17:55,010 --> 01:17:53,460
to be considered because if you look at

1932
01:17:57,189 --> 01:17:55,020
mainstream Bigfoot research they

1933
01:17:59,870 --> 01:17:57,199
denounce any sort of paranormal

1934
01:18:01,970 --> 01:17:59,880
influence or association with Bigfoot or

1935
01:18:03,890 --> 01:18:01,980
UFO equation or if you're riding around

1936
01:18:08,750 --> 01:18:03,900
in a UFO and you want to clear the area

1937
01:18:12,709 --> 01:18:10,490
scare you I'll run you right out of the

1938
01:18:14,450 --> 01:18:12,719
area I'd like to conclude this interview

1939
01:18:16,130 --> 01:18:14,460
and I want to thank you for for taking

1940
01:18:18,410 --> 01:18:16,140
the time you've been very informative

1941
01:18:20,709 --> 01:18:18,420
and you really um opened up my eyes and

1942
01:18:23,570 --> 01:18:20,719
really set yourself apart from the other

1943
01:18:26,510 --> 01:18:23,580
abductees I've interviewed abductees

1944
01:18:28,070 --> 01:18:26,520
I've interviewed a woman that that after

1945
01:18:29,149 --> 01:18:28,080
she went through hypnosis and we

1946
01:18:31,310 --> 01:18:29,159
mentioned that earlier in the interview

1947
01:18:32,390 --> 01:18:31,320
how dangerous hypnosis can be as a tool

1948
01:18:34,370 --> 01:18:32,400
if it's in the wrong hands and

1949
01:18:37,729 --> 01:18:34,380
implemented and can psychologically scar

1950
01:18:40,669 --> 01:18:37,739
an individual but she was digressed or

1951
01:18:42,530 --> 01:18:40,679
regressed I should say and had a UFO

1952
01:18:44,630 --> 01:18:42,540
experience now she won't even open her

1953
01:18:46,790 --> 01:18:44,640
closet door or look under her bed

1954
01:18:49,910 --> 01:18:46,800
because that's where she claims UFO

1955
01:18:52,910 --> 01:18:49,920
entities tend to emerge from

1956
01:18:54,950 --> 01:18:52,920
well that's three-year-olds got the

1957
01:18:57,470 --> 01:18:54,960
monsters in the closet

1958
01:18:58,850 --> 01:18:57,480
what advice would you give to UFO

1959
01:19:00,350 --> 01:18:58,860
abductees when I talk to people that

1960
01:19:01,729 --> 01:19:00,360
have seen the UFO they say what can I do

1961
01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:01,739
when I say nothing should I go to the

1962
01:19:04,430 --> 01:19:03,360
police no because you'll bring scoring a

1963
01:19:06,110 --> 01:19:04,440
ridicule they're not going to help you

1964
01:19:08,270 --> 01:19:06,120
anyways and they'll just write you down

1965
01:19:09,590 --> 01:19:08,280
the book and and you know how the crews

1966
01:19:12,530 --> 01:19:09,600
would drive by not because they want to

1967
01:19:15,110 --> 01:19:12,540
protect you from uh uh a UFO but this

1968
01:19:17,990 --> 01:19:15,120
guy must be nuts what what my my advice

1969
01:19:20,209 --> 01:19:18,000
is for other people too that these

1970
01:19:22,729 --> 01:19:20,219
people should form some sort of support

1971
01:19:24,830 --> 01:19:22,739
group share their experiences with

1972
01:19:26,870 --> 01:19:24,840
others who have similar experiences and

1973
01:19:30,169 --> 01:19:26,880
perhaps you can have consolation and you

1974
01:19:32,709 --> 01:19:30,179
can have that type of support within

1975
01:19:35,270 --> 01:19:32,719
your own would you agree to that nope

1976
01:19:37,970 --> 01:19:35,280
what I tell them if you think you've

1977
01:19:40,430 --> 01:19:37,980
been abducted don't tell anybody okay

1978
01:19:42,590 --> 01:19:40,440
okay stay right away from everybody and

1979
01:19:44,750 --> 01:19:42,600
in time you will remember

1980
01:19:46,850 --> 01:19:44,760
and then once you remember then you will

1981
01:19:49,490 --> 01:19:46,860
know what to do you're not going to need

1982
01:19:52,490 --> 01:19:49,500
a support group okay good advice good

1983
01:19:53,870 --> 01:19:52,500
advice indeed so the abduction phenomena

1984
01:19:56,330 --> 01:19:53,880
do you do you see the abduction

1985
01:19:58,490 --> 01:19:56,340
phenomena if you look at UFO sightings

1986
01:20:00,229 --> 01:19:58,500
they started Landing in the 50s yours

1987
01:20:01,430 --> 01:20:00,239
was the first abduction account in the

1988
01:20:03,050 --> 01:20:01,440
60s

1989
01:20:05,030 --> 01:20:03,060
um people taking on board saying that

1990
01:20:06,770 --> 01:20:05,040
there are sexual tests performed on them

1991
01:20:08,450 --> 01:20:06,780
now there are women that said that

1992
01:20:10,810 --> 01:20:08,460
they've been claiming that they've been

1993
01:20:13,610 --> 01:20:10,820
pregnant and that the I call it um

1994
01:20:16,250 --> 01:20:13,620
intergalactive womb snatching uh whereby

1995
01:20:18,770 --> 01:20:16,260
they said nurses will tell you that

1996
01:20:21,470 --> 01:20:18,780
almost every woman of childbearing age

1997
01:20:23,450 --> 01:20:21,480
sometime or another has what we call the

1998
01:20:27,169 --> 01:20:23,460
missing baby syndrome the false

1999
01:20:28,729 --> 01:20:27,179
pregnancy right the false pregnancy and

2000
01:20:30,110 --> 01:20:28,739
your body gives you the signs that

2001
01:20:33,830 --> 01:20:30,120
you're pregnant yep

2002
01:20:35,990 --> 01:20:33,840
God I'm lucky I'm a guy sometimes so so

2003
01:20:37,610 --> 01:20:36,000
you're saying that um this this agenda

2004
01:20:39,709 --> 01:20:37,620
are they stepping up their agenda are

2005
01:20:42,770 --> 01:20:39,719
they making drones are they making half

2006
01:20:46,669 --> 01:20:42,780
human half alien entities How can I

2007
01:20:49,970 --> 01:20:46,679
you can't mix a dog and a cat together

2008
01:20:52,610 --> 01:20:49,980
can't examine people and if they if they

2009
01:20:54,229 --> 01:20:52,620
are uh Jessica's in the shape of us

2010
01:20:56,209 --> 01:20:54,239
there's no sign that there are internal

2011
01:20:58,910 --> 01:20:56,219
organs are the same so you don't buy

2012
01:21:00,890 --> 01:20:58,920
into that then no I don't okay

2013
01:21:02,630 --> 01:21:00,900
um and concluding in fact in the real

2014
01:21:05,330 --> 01:21:02,640
abductions that I've worked with there

2015
01:21:08,390 --> 01:21:05,340
has been no sexual interest at all in

2016
01:21:09,830 --> 01:21:08,400
any of them man or woman they just seems

2017
01:21:11,030 --> 01:21:09,840
that they just want to scare the bejesus

2018
01:21:13,790 --> 01:21:11,040
out of them is that what you're saying

2019
01:21:17,630 --> 01:21:13,800
because of the trials they're searching

2020
01:21:20,169 --> 01:21:17,640
every real abduction they're looking for

2021
01:21:22,850 --> 01:21:20,179
different kinds of information

2022
01:21:24,410 --> 01:21:22,860
the testing they do on this person is

2023
01:21:27,050 --> 01:21:24,420
totally different from this one from

2024
01:21:28,550 --> 01:21:27,060
this one from this one it's looking like

2025
01:21:29,870 --> 01:21:28,560
they're looking for information for

2026
01:21:32,330 --> 01:21:29,880
themselves

2027
01:21:34,370 --> 01:21:32,340
well I keep repeating the same old test

2028
01:21:37,610 --> 01:21:34,380
over and over again

2029
01:21:39,770 --> 01:21:37,620
Dr Jacques valet has a great adage we

2030
01:21:41,450 --> 01:21:39,780
have to understand that we may not be

2031
01:21:45,050 --> 01:21:41,460
able to understand

2032
01:21:47,750 --> 01:21:45,060
do you like that well my book

2033
01:21:50,510 --> 01:21:47,760
comments as opposed to UFOs

2034
01:21:51,370 --> 01:21:50,520
Portsmouth New Hampshire any help what's

2035
01:21:54,229 --> 01:21:51,380
the address

2036
01:21:55,010 --> 01:21:54,239
953 state if they want to buy it yep

2037
01:21:58,130 --> 01:21:55,020
okay

2038
01:22:00,229 --> 01:21:58,140
Jacques villain loves this book

2039
01:22:02,090 --> 01:22:00,239
it is a common sense approach so you do

2040
01:22:05,390 --> 01:22:02,100
take a common sense approach to UFOs

2041
01:22:07,550 --> 01:22:05,400
right you don't look at this upon this

2042
01:22:10,130 --> 01:22:07,560
as an evil phenomena you look upon this

2043
01:22:12,229 --> 01:22:10,140
as an interesting phenomenon right I

2044
01:22:13,729 --> 01:22:12,239
mean they're astronauts are explorers

2045
01:22:15,950 --> 01:22:13,739
they're just like someone coming from

2046
01:22:18,770 --> 01:22:15,960
span Spain to New Hampshire they're

2047
01:22:21,410 --> 01:22:18,780
tourists basically aren't they yep

2048
01:22:23,450 --> 01:22:21,420
um are they looking us over I mean let's

2049
01:22:25,610 --> 01:22:23,460
face it why would any advanced

2050
01:22:28,330 --> 01:22:25,620
civilization want to get friendly with

2051
01:22:31,250 --> 01:22:28,340
us right but in the same time

2052
01:22:33,350 --> 01:22:31,260
it's still quite primitive you know if

2053
01:22:35,209 --> 01:22:33,360
if you look at the prelude

2054
01:22:37,430 --> 01:22:35,219
the order of battle and I don't like to

2055
01:22:38,930 --> 01:22:37,440
say that but you send Recon if you're

2056
01:22:41,450 --> 01:22:38,940
scouting out an area before I buy

2057
01:22:42,290 --> 01:22:41,460
attractive land I scouted out with the

2058
01:22:44,090 --> 01:22:42,300
white

2059
01:22:45,890 --> 01:22:44,100
do you think that they have eyes on our

2060
01:22:48,350 --> 01:22:45,900
planet do you think that they want to

2061
01:22:50,330 --> 01:22:48,360
mine our planet in that this planet

2062
01:22:52,570 --> 01:22:50,340
would be better off run by them and not

2063
01:22:55,550 --> 01:22:52,580
by us I mean moreover if we were

2064
01:22:57,410 --> 01:22:55,560
disposed on like fleas a case of fleas

2065
01:22:59,990 --> 01:22:57,420
on this planet do you think that their

2066
01:23:02,570 --> 01:23:00,000
intentions are Malvern I think they

2067
01:23:03,950 --> 01:23:02,580
wouldn't take us as a gift so you're

2068
01:23:05,209 --> 01:23:03,960
saying is they like the planet but they

2069
01:23:06,970 --> 01:23:05,219
don't like what's on I mean I think

2070
01:23:11,209 --> 01:23:06,980
they're trying to decide

2071
01:23:13,790 --> 01:23:11,219
what level of evolution we're in where'd

2072
01:23:16,490 --> 01:23:13,800
you go when are we going to get progress

2073
01:23:18,229 --> 01:23:16,500
as every year we get worse rather than

2074
01:23:21,110 --> 01:23:18,239
better do they have their eyes on the

2075
01:23:22,490 --> 01:23:21,120
planet and its minerals no to my

2076
01:23:25,790 --> 01:23:22,500
knowledge

2077
01:23:28,610 --> 01:23:25,800
have they assisted the military in

2078
01:23:30,130 --> 01:23:28,620
developing uh third fourth fifth

2079
01:23:33,550 --> 01:23:30,140
generation aircraft

2080
01:23:36,709 --> 01:23:33,560
that we made a Quantum Leap in avionics

2081
01:23:40,430 --> 01:23:36,719
I think we've intervention I think we've

2082
01:23:42,709 --> 01:23:40,440
had advances in our Technology based on

2083
01:23:46,910 --> 01:23:42,719
things that we've obtained from crashed

2084
01:23:49,070 --> 01:23:46,920
UFOs so the Optics okay Philip Corso was

2085
01:23:51,530 --> 01:23:49,080
the one who wrote that after Roswell

2086
01:23:53,570 --> 01:23:51,540
um I agree with him

2087
01:23:56,689 --> 01:23:53,580
unfortunately in fact I know two people

2088
01:23:58,790 --> 01:23:56,699
who did an analysis of the stuff well

2089
01:23:59,630 --> 01:23:58,800
unfortunately I can't find holes in the

2090
01:24:01,550 --> 01:23:59,640
story

2091
01:24:03,050 --> 01:24:01,560
um he is who he says he was that's no

2092
01:24:04,669 --> 01:24:03,060
deny

2093
01:24:06,169 --> 01:24:04,679
um because the only difference I would

2094
01:24:09,189 --> 01:24:06,179
have was he seemed to think that the

2095
01:24:12,530 --> 01:24:09,199
UFOs were a threat to us

2096
01:24:14,750 --> 01:24:12,540
this is military anybody violating our

2097
01:24:16,729 --> 01:24:14,760
ass face can be a threat

2098
01:24:18,770 --> 01:24:16,739
I know the material command at

2099
01:24:20,689 --> 01:24:18,780
Wright-Patt were all nervous right

2100
01:24:22,250 --> 01:24:20,699
Patterson Air Force Base when this book

2101
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:22,260
came out because that was one of their

2102
01:24:24,770 --> 01:24:23,280
own

2103
01:24:28,130 --> 01:24:24,780
coming out

2104
01:24:29,990 --> 01:24:28,140
under secrecy in in obliterating his

2105
01:24:31,910 --> 01:24:30,000
oath and there wasn't anything they

2106
01:24:34,610 --> 01:24:31,920
could do to him yep

2107
01:24:37,430 --> 01:24:34,620
uh so that that there was some sort of

2108
01:24:40,250 --> 01:24:37,440
Confluence of of alien intelligence or

2109
01:24:42,050 --> 01:24:40,260
alien inventions that were that were uh

2110
01:24:44,270 --> 01:24:42,060
subtly cast into the industrial

2111
01:24:45,709 --> 01:24:44,280
mainstream and brought to fruition

2112
01:24:47,330 --> 01:24:45,719
through fiber optics through night

2113
01:24:49,669 --> 01:24:47,340
vision goggles through super strong

2114
01:24:51,830 --> 01:24:49,679
Alloys uh through maybe something like

2115
01:24:54,950 --> 01:24:51,840
this bulletproof an exotic propulsion

2116
01:24:57,470 --> 01:24:54,960
system perhaps so

2117
01:25:01,070 --> 01:24:57,480
um do you believe that we are flying

2118
01:25:03,350 --> 01:25:01,080
exotic aircraft out of no okay that we

2119
01:25:05,270 --> 01:25:03,360
don't have the the capability

2120
01:25:07,370 --> 01:25:05,280
do you believe that we perhaps have a

2121
01:25:10,070 --> 01:25:07,380
string of lethal satellites orbiting the

2122
01:25:12,229 --> 01:25:10,080
planet that may be in fact not there to

2123
01:25:15,770 --> 01:25:12,239
shoot down intercontinental ballistic

2124
01:25:17,510 --> 01:25:15,780
missile spotter in orbit say to uh shoot

2125
01:25:19,310 --> 01:25:17,520
down UFOs there you go do you believe

2126
01:25:21,050 --> 01:25:19,320
that that's possible oh I think we might

2127
01:25:22,250 --> 01:25:21,060
attempt it but I don't think we'd be

2128
01:25:23,930 --> 01:25:22,260
successful

2129
01:25:25,790 --> 01:25:23,940
so in other words before we fight we're

2130
01:25:27,229 --> 01:25:25,800
going to train and we're if the that's

2131
01:25:29,570 --> 01:25:27,239
the way the military looks at it if they

2132
01:25:31,270 --> 01:25:29,580
cannot take on an opponent and defeat it

2133
01:25:33,470 --> 01:25:31,280
then they're going to go back and

2134
01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:33,480
into the drawing board until they're

2135
01:25:37,010 --> 01:25:35,280
ready to have that technology and take

2136
01:25:38,689 --> 01:25:37,020
down these UFOs do you think that that's

2137
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:38,699
in the government's agenda eventually is

2138
01:25:43,669 --> 01:25:41,040
to shoot them down and leave us out is

2139
01:25:45,950 --> 01:25:43,679
the sake of our species at stake here

2140
01:25:47,090 --> 01:25:45,960
um no I don't think uh first of all the

2141
01:25:48,950 --> 01:25:47,100
government's not going to shoot them

2142
01:25:51,649 --> 01:25:48,960
down and you say government I'm talking

2143
01:25:53,390 --> 01:25:51,659
about all the governments of the world

2144
01:25:55,550 --> 01:25:53,400
because it would be futile it'll be like

2145
01:25:57,649 --> 01:25:55,560
peasants throwing rocks at an F-16 jet

2146
01:25:59,149 --> 01:25:57,659
fighter for instance

2147
01:26:00,950 --> 01:25:59,159
okay and they're not they're not

2148
01:26:03,530 --> 01:26:00,960
threatening Us in any way

2149
01:26:05,629 --> 01:26:03,540
the the phenomenon is moot as they say

2150
01:26:07,669 --> 01:26:05,639
there is there isn't a mundane threat

2151
01:26:10,490 --> 01:26:07,679
tell me what's in your book what are you

2152
01:26:17,209 --> 01:26:10,500
talking about actually it's about

2153
01:26:20,270 --> 01:26:17,219
my experiences with UFOs since uh 1961.

2154
01:26:20,990 --> 01:26:20,280
is it a handbook how to see UFOs

2155
01:26:24,649 --> 01:26:21,000
um

2156
01:26:25,430 --> 01:26:24,659
do you give tips there well I have the

2157
01:26:27,649 --> 01:26:25,440
um

2158
01:26:30,050 --> 01:26:27,659
you know how we found the area and all

2159
01:26:32,209 --> 01:26:30,060
and I from I understand there are

2160
01:26:34,070 --> 01:26:32,219
several areas in there this country

2161
01:26:36,649 --> 01:26:34,080
where people go out

2162
01:26:38,570 --> 01:26:36,659
just like we did every night and observe

2163
01:26:40,850 --> 01:26:38,580
and take pictures some can say Sedona

2164
01:26:43,550 --> 01:26:40,860
Arizona Gulf Breeze some say the Nevada

2165
01:26:45,110 --> 01:26:43,560
desert uh some now say outside Salt Lake

2166
01:26:46,850 --> 01:26:45,120
City to the Western Hill Air Force

2167
01:26:48,470 --> 01:26:46,860
that's dugway Proving Grounds I've

2168
01:26:50,450 --> 01:26:48,480
always heard up towards Lake Michigan

2169
01:26:52,010 --> 01:26:50,460
that area right the Great Lakes triangle

2170
01:26:54,350 --> 01:26:52,020
right that's always been a hotbed for

2171
01:26:57,290 --> 01:26:54,360
UFO sightings West Virginia had a Spate

2172
01:26:59,450 --> 01:26:57,300
of sightings in the 50s and 60s in that

2173
01:27:00,770 --> 01:26:59,460
area Virginia so

2174
01:27:02,510 --> 01:27:00,780
um you don't think it's relative to

2175
01:27:05,450 --> 01:27:02,520
what's underneath the ground it's just

2176
01:27:07,430 --> 01:27:05,460
uh that this chance that they chose a

2177
01:27:10,129 --> 01:27:07,440
specific area yeah or they found

2178
01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:10,139
interested people that are interested in

2179
01:27:13,970 --> 01:27:11,760
them for instance you of that area in

2180
01:27:15,709 --> 01:27:13,980
Southern New Hampshire and I think all

2181
01:27:17,090 --> 01:27:15,719
right now for example they're interested

2182
01:27:18,950 --> 01:27:17,100
in things that we do

2183
01:27:21,410 --> 01:27:18,960
for example

2184
01:27:23,570 --> 01:27:21,420
in this area where we went out to

2185
01:27:25,729 --> 01:27:23,580
observe about two or three miles away

2186
01:27:27,770 --> 01:27:25,739
they're building a golf course

2187
01:27:29,990 --> 01:27:27,780
every night the UFOs are out there

2188
01:27:34,970 --> 01:27:30,000
looking over and see what's going on

2189
01:27:37,490 --> 01:27:34,980
hmm and not too far from that this uh

2190
01:27:40,550 --> 01:27:37,500
Farm decided to

2191
01:27:42,290 --> 01:27:40,560
start growing all these fruit trees

2192
01:27:43,729 --> 01:27:42,300
and they had all this heavy equipment

2193
01:27:45,709 --> 01:27:43,739
and everything you know they're planting

2194
01:27:48,229 --> 01:27:45,719
Acres of them well we used to go and

2195
01:27:49,790 --> 01:27:48,239
watch the UFOs flying around the heavy

2196
01:27:51,470 --> 01:27:49,800
equipment

2197
01:27:52,970 --> 01:27:51,480
let me ask you this how do they eat do

2198
01:27:54,950 --> 01:27:52,980
you believe in cattle mutilation do you

2199
01:27:56,390 --> 01:27:54,960
think that's equated with aliens

2200
01:28:00,050 --> 01:27:56,400
I don't know

2201
01:28:02,510 --> 01:28:00,060
or you haven't done enough investigation

2202
01:28:05,270 --> 01:28:02,520
such that you couldn't comment well

2203
01:28:06,830 --> 01:28:05,280
I'm actually I wrote about the police

2204
01:28:08,270 --> 01:28:06,840
out in Colorado

2205
01:28:10,129 --> 01:28:08,280
okay so you've been to the San Luis

2206
01:28:12,050 --> 01:28:10,139
Valley uh

2207
01:28:13,790 --> 01:28:12,060
I don't know what that is you're joking

2208
01:28:17,149 --> 01:28:13,800
in Colorado so you were yeah I've been

2209
01:28:19,070 --> 01:28:17,159
in Colorado actually I was out across

2210
01:28:20,390 --> 01:28:19,080
the dude

2211
01:28:22,790 --> 01:28:20,400
I think that's supposed to be the

2212
01:28:24,590 --> 01:28:22,800
highest altitude the highest Alpine

2213
01:28:26,870 --> 01:28:24,600
plane right so it sounds like you were

2214
01:28:28,610 --> 01:28:26,880
at the San Luis Valley which is a hotbed

2215
01:28:30,470 --> 01:28:28,620
for Academy mutilation so you're not

2216
01:28:31,910 --> 01:28:30,480
sure as to if the two were equated and

2217
01:28:33,350 --> 01:28:31,920
the aliens have to eat somehow right do

2218
01:28:35,629 --> 01:28:33,360
they eat food

2219
01:28:37,850 --> 01:28:35,639
I don't know I don't know what they eat

2220
01:28:40,129 --> 01:28:37,860
but I know that uh yeah I rode around

2221
01:28:42,770 --> 01:28:40,139
with the police out there looking for

2222
01:28:44,870 --> 01:28:42,780
uh that showed you took me around showed

2223
01:28:47,629 --> 01:28:44,880
me this is where this cat cattles were

2224
01:28:49,850 --> 01:28:47,639
mutilated and how they had actually had

2225
01:28:51,890 --> 01:28:49,860
hired men to go out and protect the

2226
01:28:53,810 --> 01:28:51,900
cattle tonight with that loaded guns and

2227
01:28:55,310 --> 01:28:53,820
they were they were cookie cutter and

2228
01:28:56,870 --> 01:28:55,320
sized

2229
01:28:59,330 --> 01:28:56,880
um laser Precision so you don't know

2230
01:29:02,689 --> 01:28:59,340
what to make of that no but uh somebody

2231
01:29:05,990 --> 01:29:02,699
was mutilate I know one thing uh one

2232
01:29:08,990 --> 01:29:06,000
farmer gave me a picture of a calf of

2233
01:29:10,729 --> 01:29:09,000
his had been mutilated and I showed it

2234
01:29:13,850 --> 01:29:10,739
to this friend of mine a neurosurgeon

2235
01:29:16,729 --> 01:29:13,860
and he looked at it and he said if you

2236
01:29:18,290 --> 01:29:16,739
can find out who did that cutting I want

2237
01:29:20,090 --> 01:29:18,300
to go in business with her that's right

2238
01:29:21,830 --> 01:29:20,100
because uh whoever did it has to be one

2239
01:29:22,850 --> 01:29:21,840
of the most foremost skilled surgeons on

2240
01:29:24,590 --> 01:29:22,860
the planet and you think that they'd

2241
01:29:26,209 --> 01:29:24,600
want to hang out on their their yacht at

2242
01:29:28,310 --> 01:29:26,219
Miami Beach or play some golf in Hawaii

2243
01:29:30,169 --> 01:29:28,320
as opposed to going out in Sub-Zero

2244
01:29:32,750 --> 01:29:30,179
temperatures in a high Alpine Valley

2245
01:29:34,189 --> 01:29:32,760
plane cutting up cows so I want to ask

2246
01:29:36,350 --> 01:29:34,199
you about crop circles what's your take

2247
01:29:40,930 --> 01:29:36,360
on crop circles are they man-made are

2248
01:29:43,729 --> 01:29:40,940
they Alien made or combination not a UFO

2249
01:29:46,790 --> 01:29:43,739
I have a friend who just came back from

2250
01:29:49,490 --> 01:29:46,800
England they are not alien related oh

2251
01:29:51,110 --> 01:29:49,500
she's I have here

2252
01:29:53,990 --> 01:29:51,120
would you like to see them yeah are you

2253
01:29:55,669 --> 01:29:54,000
saying are they I got pictures of the

2254
01:29:58,129 --> 01:29:55,679
crap the new craft circles that were

2255
01:29:59,570 --> 01:29:58,139
done in August oh okay they are

2256
01:30:01,310 --> 01:29:59,580
fantastic

2257
01:30:07,550 --> 01:30:01,320
do you think that they are associated

2258
01:30:13,070 --> 01:30:09,770
um I've examined Doug Bowers and David

2259
01:30:14,870 --> 01:30:13,080
Shirley are two hoaxers in England that

2260
01:30:16,550 --> 01:30:14,880
started the crop circle or started

2261
01:30:19,129 --> 01:30:16,560
making crop circles in the late 70s

2262
01:30:20,930 --> 01:30:19,139
early 80s they can lay claim to a

2263
01:30:24,290 --> 01:30:20,940
majority of the crop circles but not all

2264
01:30:25,990 --> 01:30:24,300
of them no these two guys they're more

2265
01:30:28,129 --> 01:30:26,000
or less hoaxes

2266
01:30:30,470 --> 01:30:28,139
you know they take a board and they

2267
01:30:32,990 --> 01:30:30,480
right but these actually in the crop

2268
01:30:34,129 --> 01:30:33,000
circles the wheat is almost like it's

2269
01:30:36,830 --> 01:30:34,139
braided

2270
01:30:38,870 --> 01:30:36,840
it doesn't just flatten it's the world

2271
01:30:43,610 --> 01:30:38,880
some people standing within them can

2272
01:30:45,530 --> 01:30:43,620
feel um hear a hum others can can put a

2273
01:30:47,030 --> 01:30:45,540
compass over some sort of geiger counter

2274
01:30:49,250 --> 01:30:47,040
and there are magnetic anomalies

2275
01:30:50,990 --> 01:30:49,260
involved are you aware that there's sand

2276
01:30:53,870 --> 01:30:51,000
circles have been found in the deserts

2277
01:30:56,510 --> 01:30:53,880
of the Sahara uh Gobi desert in China

2278
01:30:58,729 --> 01:30:56,520
and Ice circles in fact an ice Circle

2279
01:31:01,910 --> 01:30:58,739
was found on the Frozen Charles River in

2280
01:31:03,590 --> 01:31:01,920
Medfield Massachusetts Circa 1993. oh I

2281
01:31:04,790 --> 01:31:03,600
never saw that yeah ice circles have

2282
01:31:06,830 --> 01:31:04,800
been found

2283
01:31:10,669 --> 01:31:06,840
um near the Ross sea ice shelf in

2284
01:31:12,890 --> 01:31:10,679
Antarctica so that these are not just in

2285
01:31:15,229 --> 01:31:12,900
the barley fields and cornfields of

2286
01:31:18,290 --> 01:31:15,239
England they are taking a place across

2287
01:31:20,750 --> 01:31:18,300
uh many bass expanses well I know

2288
01:31:23,030 --> 01:31:20,760
there's been crop circles found in on

2289
01:31:24,649 --> 01:31:23,040
the west coast right Washington State

2290
01:31:26,149 --> 01:31:24,659
recently yeah

2291
01:31:29,030 --> 01:31:26,159
what's your take on have you heard of

2292
01:31:31,070 --> 01:31:29,040
black helicopters yep I've filmed them

2293
01:31:33,169 --> 01:31:31,080
okay could you could you elaborate

2294
01:31:35,750 --> 01:31:33,179
please well the one that I filmed I have

2295
01:31:38,510 --> 01:31:35,760
a picture of a helicopter pilot site

2296
01:31:41,090 --> 01:31:38,520
they can't understand it because it's

2297
01:31:42,470 --> 01:31:41,100
been modified in such a way that it

2298
01:31:44,689 --> 01:31:42,480
should not be able to get off the ground

2299
01:31:46,370 --> 01:31:44,699
the helicopter yep

2300
01:31:47,930 --> 01:31:46,380
um San Luis Valley back to Colorado

2301
01:31:50,090 --> 01:31:47,940
where the cattle mutilations occur

2302
01:31:52,070 --> 01:31:50,100
that's a hotbed for um black helicopters

2303
01:31:53,750 --> 01:31:52,080
and they that's a police believe that's

2304
01:31:56,209 --> 01:31:53,760
the black helicopters doing the

2305
01:31:57,770 --> 01:31:56,219
mutilations you think it's a you think

2306
01:31:59,810 --> 01:31:57,780
it's somebody in those black helicopters

2307
01:32:01,729 --> 01:31:59,820
that now the question is are the

2308
01:32:04,689 --> 01:32:01,739
government are the aliens manifesting

2309
01:32:06,649 --> 01:32:04,699
are they aliens manifesting themselves

2310
01:32:08,629 --> 01:32:06,659
I don't know who they are but they're

2311
01:32:10,250 --> 01:32:08,639
not government why would they go around

2312
01:32:11,689 --> 01:32:10,260
doing that right because they could have

2313
01:32:14,270 --> 01:32:11,699
their own little farms and experiment on

2314
01:32:16,250 --> 01:32:14,280
their animals to their hearts content so

2315
01:32:19,010 --> 01:32:16,260
that that would leave off an option in

2316
01:32:20,810 --> 01:32:19,020
Chris O'Brien I made this info inference

2317
01:32:23,810 --> 01:32:20,820
to him he's a researcher in San Luis

2318
01:32:25,490 --> 01:32:23,820
Valley what if the UFOs could manifest

2319
01:32:27,950 --> 01:32:25,500
themselves as black helicopters let's

2320
01:32:31,070 --> 01:32:27,960
just say if an incident

2321
01:32:32,990 --> 01:32:31,080
that's it see now you're going to do a

2322
01:32:34,610 --> 01:32:33,000
totally different area oh let's go we're

2323
01:32:36,590 --> 01:32:34,620
there

2324
01:32:38,390 --> 01:32:36,600
I've got a picture

2325
01:32:40,010 --> 01:32:38,400
that I took

2326
01:32:43,310 --> 01:32:40,020
in daylight

2327
01:32:46,430 --> 01:32:43,320
I looked up I was out in my area and I'm

2328
01:32:48,649 --> 01:32:46,440
with a friend and I look up and I saw a

2329
01:32:50,870 --> 01:32:48,659
plane and a helicopter flying side by

2330
01:32:53,510 --> 01:32:50,880
side what's the plan of C-130 had four

2331
01:32:56,330 --> 01:32:53,520
engines on it um what type of plane was

2332
01:32:59,570 --> 01:32:56,340
it it doesn't play 9A helicopter

2333
01:33:01,189 --> 01:32:59,580
and those two attracted my attention and

2334
01:33:03,530 --> 01:33:01,199
I got a Polaroid camera

2335
01:33:05,330 --> 01:33:03,540
a snap to play in the helicopter you

2336
01:33:06,950 --> 01:33:05,340
don't see planes and helicopters flying

2337
01:33:08,629 --> 01:33:06,960
side by side

2338
01:33:10,790 --> 01:33:08,639
I set up a picture

2339
01:33:13,610 --> 01:33:10,800
and I got a disc

2340
01:33:16,490 --> 01:33:13,620
and a flying Barrel

2341
01:33:20,169 --> 01:33:16,500
along with a plane in the helicopter

2342
01:33:24,110 --> 01:33:20,179
So lately over the years

2343
01:33:26,810 --> 01:33:24,120
I also I have a friend who filmed

2344
01:33:29,390 --> 01:33:26,820
a carrier letting a

2345
01:33:31,669 --> 01:33:29,400
look like small planes

2346
01:33:32,750 --> 01:33:31,679
like the old planes like World War One

2347
01:33:34,790 --> 01:33:32,760
planes

2348
01:33:36,709 --> 01:33:34,800
I think something like eight of them

2349
01:33:38,510 --> 01:33:36,719
came out of the carrier

2350
01:33:39,850 --> 01:33:38,520
and they looked like almost like rolls

2351
01:33:43,310 --> 01:33:39,860
was

2352
01:33:46,070 --> 01:33:43,320
interesting and so and then also yeah

2353
01:33:48,709 --> 01:33:46,080
and then also we had here what we call

2354
01:33:51,950 --> 01:33:48,719
the crazy plane what's that it looks

2355
01:33:54,410 --> 01:33:51,960
like a play okay and it will do things

2356
01:33:56,870 --> 01:33:54,420
like it'll come right straight down hear

2357
01:33:59,030 --> 01:33:56,880
me in Southern New Hampshire yep roaring

2358
01:34:00,410 --> 01:33:59,040
worse than 10 gents come right straight

2359
01:34:03,050 --> 01:34:00,420
down

2360
01:34:06,649 --> 01:34:03,060
pointed at the ground stop for about 20

2361
01:34:08,810 --> 01:34:06,659
feet flatten off up and take off

2362
01:34:11,390 --> 01:34:08,820
do you think that's an alien crafter I

2363
01:34:12,850 --> 01:34:11,400
know it is sure

2364
01:34:15,649 --> 01:34:12,860
um so so

2365
01:34:17,750 --> 01:34:15,659
what they're beginning to disguise

2366
01:34:19,550 --> 01:34:17,760
themselves that's okay so so they're

2367
01:34:21,830 --> 01:34:19,560
beginning to look like things that were

2368
01:34:23,149 --> 01:34:21,840
familiar to us right so that they can

2369
01:34:25,970 --> 01:34:23,159
get in closer

2370
01:34:27,649 --> 01:34:25,980
a good Chris O'Brien story was he had

2371
01:34:29,209 --> 01:34:27,659
investigated this strange helicopter

2372
01:34:31,610 --> 01:34:29,219
Encounter of a family in Colorado saw

2373
01:34:33,470 --> 01:34:31,620
the strange yellow helicopter and it's

2374
01:34:34,729 --> 01:34:33,480
so expansive to travel in that

2375
01:34:36,830 --> 01:34:34,739
helicopter you wouldn't have enough fuel

2376
01:34:38,270 --> 01:34:36,840
to go to the next Depot and so he's

2377
01:34:40,189 --> 01:34:38,280
driving home and he's typing it up on

2378
01:34:41,689 --> 01:34:40,199
his his typewriter the next morning he

2379
01:34:43,850 --> 01:34:41,699
looks out he sees the same yellow

2380
01:34:45,950 --> 01:34:43,860
helicopter 13 years later the way they

2381
01:34:47,570 --> 01:34:45,960
describe now I want to get back to

2382
01:34:48,950 --> 01:34:47,580
Special Operations groups I mentioned

2383
01:34:51,229 --> 01:34:48,960
them earlier they emanate out of

2384
01:34:52,910 --> 01:34:51,239
Kirtland Air Force Base in in

2385
01:34:55,189 --> 01:34:52,920
Albuquerque to train there they're

2386
01:34:57,470 --> 01:34:55,199
dispatched or I call them their nest is

2387
01:34:59,930 --> 01:34:57,480
an Eglin Hurlburt Field black

2388
01:35:02,750 --> 01:34:59,940
helicopters are shiny or flat black

2389
01:35:04,250 --> 01:35:02,760
helicopters that are not registered with

2390
01:35:05,990 --> 01:35:04,260
the FAA they don't have any military

2391
01:35:07,610 --> 01:35:06,000
numbers or markings so they don't exist

2392
01:35:09,649 --> 01:35:07,620
they can apply at any altitude anywhere

2393
01:35:12,350 --> 01:35:09,659
you want they also are accompanied by

2394
01:35:13,910 --> 01:35:12,360
four engine planes called c-130s they

2395
01:35:15,410 --> 01:35:13,920
can be the way I look at them is it's

2396
01:35:16,550 --> 01:35:15,420
the United States of America's way to

2397
01:35:17,990 --> 01:35:16,560
check into the terrorist game

2398
01:35:19,910 --> 01:35:18,000
unannounced you fight terrorism

2399
01:35:22,310 --> 01:35:19,920
sometimes unfortunately with terrorism

2400
01:35:25,070 --> 01:35:22,320
these are surgical teams that can get

2401
01:35:26,450 --> 01:35:25,080
into an area perform whatever Duty they

2402
01:35:29,270 --> 01:35:26,460
have to do with electrical intelligence

2403
01:35:30,830 --> 01:35:29,280
or psyops against the enemy and leave so

2404
01:35:33,470 --> 01:35:30,840
now for the aliens to manifest

2405
01:35:34,910 --> 01:35:33,480
themselves you have UFOs sightings and

2406
01:35:36,709 --> 01:35:34,920
these Special Operations groups which

2407
01:35:38,629 --> 01:35:36,719
show up later so now it seems that the

2408
01:35:40,729 --> 01:35:38,639
aliens maybe or so I've heard

2409
01:35:43,010 --> 01:35:40,739
manifesting themselves as these black

2410
01:35:44,990 --> 01:35:43,020
helicopters almost in a mocking manner

2411
01:35:46,790 --> 01:35:45,000
what do you think of that to the point

2412
01:35:49,070 --> 01:35:46,800
that uh here's here's your secret group

2413
01:35:50,689 --> 01:35:49,080
and okay yeah the UFOs come in to

2414
01:35:53,330 --> 01:35:50,699
manifest themselves as black helicopters

2415
01:35:55,430 --> 01:35:53,340
because you're inferring that these UFOs

2416
01:35:57,890 --> 01:35:55,440
have the capacity to manifest themselves

2417
01:36:00,229 --> 01:35:57,900
as some of our sensitive aircraft is

2418
01:36:04,129 --> 01:36:00,239
that correct uh I don't know I do know

2419
01:36:07,430 --> 01:36:04,139
this I've talked with military

2420
01:36:10,729 --> 01:36:07,440
oh no we used in wartime we use black

2421
01:36:12,950 --> 01:36:10,739
helicopters now after Vietnam all the

2422
01:36:14,330 --> 01:36:12,960
helicopters came back and they were

2423
01:36:16,729 --> 01:36:14,340
repainted

2424
01:36:19,010 --> 01:36:16,739
to go to the different branches of

2425
01:36:20,870 --> 01:36:19,020
government the military that they've

2426
01:36:22,370 --> 01:36:20,880
been assigned to and there were no black

2427
01:36:24,410 --> 01:36:22,380
helicopters

2428
01:36:27,530 --> 01:36:24,420
but I assume we probably had them when

2429
01:36:28,970 --> 01:36:27,540
we attacked Iraq

2430
01:36:30,470 --> 01:36:28,980
so and so in other words black

2431
01:36:32,090 --> 01:36:30,480
helicopters are great to have they're

2432
01:36:33,950 --> 01:36:32,100
great instead of scrambling Fighters for

2433
01:36:35,930 --> 01:36:33,960
to investigate UFOs you can get a

2434
01:36:37,729 --> 01:36:35,940
chopper up out of anywhere get into the

2435
01:36:39,410 --> 01:36:37,739
area investigate they're usually a few

2436
01:36:42,649 --> 01:36:39,420
days late in or not a few hours late

2437
01:36:45,350 --> 01:36:42,659
anyways and leave but that you've seen

2438
01:36:46,669 --> 01:36:45,360
some odd you've heard of odd terrestrial

2439
01:36:48,530 --> 01:36:46,679
aircraft that you and I know as

2440
01:36:50,270 --> 01:36:48,540
terrestrial aircraft behaving in strange

2441
01:36:54,189 --> 01:36:50,280
manners like you said that this woman

2442
01:36:57,890 --> 01:36:54,199
who saw this UFO releasing

2443
01:37:00,050 --> 01:36:57,900
World War One vintage aircraft yep it's

2444
01:37:01,550 --> 01:37:00,060
a new phenomenon and she actually got

2445
01:37:04,189 --> 01:37:01,560
some real good pictures

2446
01:37:06,470 --> 01:37:04,199
of one of them because one of the small

2447
01:37:08,450 --> 01:37:06,480
planes flew right down towards

2448
01:37:09,709 --> 01:37:08,460
and look just like and you can see the

2449
01:37:12,470 --> 01:37:09,719
two heads

2450
01:37:13,850 --> 01:37:12,480
you know it had like the canopy like the

2451
01:37:15,830 --> 01:37:13,860
old planes had

2452
01:37:18,649 --> 01:37:15,840
and you could see the head because you

2453
01:37:20,629 --> 01:37:18,659
couldn't see the features or anything

2454
01:37:22,129 --> 01:37:20,639
do you believe that this was filmed in

2455
01:37:24,110 --> 01:37:22,139
daylight

2456
01:37:26,270 --> 01:37:24,120
Richard Hoagland former announcer

2457
01:37:28,370 --> 01:37:26,280
advisor talks about The Monuments on

2458
01:37:29,750 --> 01:37:28,380
Mars talks about structures on the moon

2459
01:37:31,490 --> 01:37:29,760
what's your take on that do you believe

2460
01:37:33,470 --> 01:37:31,500
that there's ancient monoliths or

2461
01:37:35,750 --> 01:37:33,480
structures on the moon do are the aliens

2462
01:37:38,510 --> 01:37:35,760
using that as a staging ground

2463
01:37:41,330 --> 01:37:38,520
what's your opinion on that Richard

2464
01:37:43,250 --> 01:37:41,340
Hoagland tends to up

2465
01:37:45,110 --> 01:37:43,260
I don't know I don't have any opinion

2466
01:37:47,510 --> 01:37:45,120
yet on Mars

2467
01:37:49,550 --> 01:37:47,520
the face I think my life could have

2468
01:37:51,770 --> 01:37:49,560
existed on Mass

2469
01:37:54,229 --> 01:37:51,780
but you do yeah I think you know I've

2470
01:37:57,050 --> 01:37:54,239
read books scientists

2471
01:38:01,370 --> 01:37:57,060
years and years ago how when the planet

2472
01:38:03,050 --> 01:38:01,380
Venus came in to our Atmos our area it

2473
01:38:06,169 --> 01:38:03,060
went too close to my eyes and flipped it

2474
01:38:07,729 --> 01:38:06,179
over and wiped life out there do you

2475
01:38:10,310 --> 01:38:07,739
think the asteroid belt was a planet

2476
01:38:12,050 --> 01:38:10,320
that exploded could have been okay I

2477
01:38:13,970 --> 01:38:12,060
don't know do you think the astronauts

2478
01:38:15,709 --> 01:38:13,980
encountered UFOs on their Apollo flights

2479
01:38:17,510 --> 01:38:15,719
or Geminis their mercuries their space

2480
01:38:19,910 --> 01:38:17,520
shuttle launches we've seen the videos

2481
01:38:21,890 --> 01:38:19,920
coming out we've heard the fourth and

2482
01:38:24,050 --> 01:38:21,900
fifth end stories well I know God and

2483
01:38:27,370 --> 01:38:24,060
Cooper filmed the UFO

2484
01:38:30,110 --> 01:38:27,380
a landed one and Edward therefore space

2485
01:38:32,330 --> 01:38:30,120
because he was here last year oh Gordon

2486
01:38:34,189 --> 01:38:32,340
was oh yeah now when you have he's

2487
01:38:36,649 --> 01:38:34,199
coming out and speaking and saying that

2488
01:38:38,510 --> 01:38:36,659
he had an encounter uh Edgar Mitchell is

2489
01:38:40,490 --> 01:38:38,520
another one that I've done TV programs

2490
01:38:42,169 --> 01:38:40,500
with him so you have two esteemed

2491
01:38:44,390 --> 01:38:42,179
astronauts I believe was it Mitchell

2492
01:38:46,450 --> 01:38:44,400
that brought in Apollo 13 He steered it

2493
01:38:48,890 --> 01:38:46,460
manually which I thought was uh or no

2494
01:38:51,709 --> 01:38:48,900
Mitchell I think Mitchell's craft or was

2495
01:38:53,390 --> 01:38:51,719
it one of the astronauts there

2496
01:38:54,709 --> 01:38:53,400
um that we just Cooper I think it might

2497
01:38:56,030 --> 01:38:54,719
have been Cooper that actually steers

2498
01:38:59,090 --> 01:38:56,040
crafting which was one of the greatest

2499
01:39:01,310 --> 01:38:59,100
single-handed manual re-entries in the

2500
01:39:03,890 --> 01:39:01,320
history and that was Apollo 13. right

2501
01:39:05,450 --> 01:39:03,900
but which is an unlucky number one so

2502
01:39:07,370 --> 01:39:05,460
you've got these astronauts saying that

2503
01:39:09,709 --> 01:39:07,380
they've encountered UFOs

2504
01:39:13,070 --> 01:39:09,719
um and they've seen them which means

2505
01:39:14,689 --> 01:39:13,080
that we are being monitored our launches

2506
01:39:17,629 --> 01:39:14,699
are being monitored which also means the

2507
01:39:19,490 --> 01:39:17,639
government is loosening this security

2508
01:39:22,370 --> 01:39:19,500
right

2509
01:39:24,590 --> 01:39:22,380
secret information exactly but when it

2510
01:39:26,030 --> 01:39:24,600
becomes so compartmentalized that uh you

2511
01:39:28,250 --> 01:39:26,040
don't know what the person next to you

2512
01:39:30,050 --> 01:39:28,260
is doing and they don't either uh that

2513
01:39:31,610 --> 01:39:30,060
it's bound to slip out but if you put if

2514
01:39:33,410 --> 01:39:31,620
you break up the pieces of the puddle

2515
01:39:34,910 --> 01:39:33,420
and dispers a puzzle and disperse them

2516
01:39:36,350 --> 01:39:34,920
it'll be harder for somebody to put

2517
01:39:37,669 --> 01:39:36,360
together the pieces but every once in a

2518
01:39:40,189 --> 01:39:37,679
while you link a few pieces and there's

2519
01:39:41,209 --> 01:39:40,199
a picture of what is actually happening

2520
01:39:42,550 --> 01:39:41,219
so

2521
01:39:45,830 --> 01:39:42,560
um there is a possibility then that

2522
01:39:47,090 --> 01:39:45,840
these UFOs are monitoring our space

2523
01:39:49,129 --> 01:39:47,100
flights

2524
01:39:51,110 --> 01:39:49,139
you agree with that

2525
01:39:53,030 --> 01:39:51,120
oh like I would assume they would be

2526
01:39:55,850 --> 01:39:53,040
yeah

2527
01:39:57,890 --> 01:39:55,860
what do you see as do you see us going

2528
01:39:59,990 --> 01:39:57,900
out into outer space or living in space

2529
01:40:04,850 --> 01:40:00,000
at some time colonized in space space

2530
01:40:11,030 --> 01:40:07,970
right it's way beyond our abilities at

2531
01:40:13,129 --> 01:40:11,040
this time a number of global or Mars

2532
01:40:14,629 --> 01:40:13,139
surveyor craft we've lost we just lost

2533
01:40:15,770 --> 01:40:14,639
contact with another one do you think

2534
01:40:18,410 --> 01:40:15,780
that that's just because we're building

2535
01:40:19,910 --> 01:40:18,420
toys like for Fisher Price or do you

2536
01:40:21,890 --> 01:40:19,920
think that they're being taken note by

2537
01:40:23,810 --> 01:40:21,900
it some people say the great Galactic

2538
01:40:25,010 --> 01:40:23,820
ghoul or some sort of alien presence do

2539
01:40:26,990 --> 01:40:25,020
you think that they're getting too close

2540
01:40:28,490 --> 01:40:27,000
to Mars in a certain area that we're not

2541
01:40:29,689 --> 01:40:28,500
supposed to see and they're being taken

2542
01:40:32,689 --> 01:40:29,699
out

2543
01:40:35,750 --> 01:40:32,699
well they seem to have

2544
01:40:37,669 --> 01:40:35,760
publicly announced why it failed it was

2545
01:40:39,709 --> 01:40:37,679
a mixture of something like uh

2546
01:40:42,709 --> 01:40:39,719
measurements and the metric system

2547
01:40:45,350 --> 01:40:42,719
that's four out of five probes we've

2548
01:40:47,689 --> 01:40:45,360
lost I don't know so it's hard to

2549
01:40:50,990 --> 01:40:47,699
speculate I mean well I don't know I

2550
01:40:52,970 --> 01:40:51,000
can't imagine UFOs attacking them they

2551
01:40:55,010 --> 01:40:52,980
aren't that important

2552
01:40:57,470 --> 01:40:55,020
if they can't if these are our do you

2553
01:40:59,270 --> 01:40:57,480
think these aliens are are our future

2554
01:41:01,189 --> 01:40:59,280
say 25

2555
01:41:03,110 --> 01:41:01,199
000 years do believe that they come from

2556
01:41:04,550 --> 01:41:03,120
another system obviously but or do you

2557
01:41:11,709 --> 01:41:04,560
think that perhaps they're coming back

2558
01:41:16,610 --> 01:41:14,390
I think in time we're going to be this

2559
01:41:19,310 --> 01:41:16,620
world is going to be one world

2560
01:41:21,470 --> 01:41:19,320
and we won't bother with passports we'll

2561
01:41:23,390 --> 01:41:21,480
just travel anywhere we want to belong

2562
01:41:26,629 --> 01:41:23,400
to the people One race the human race

2563
01:41:27,410 --> 01:41:26,639
right and then when we progress to that

2564
01:41:29,570 --> 01:41:27,420
point

2565
01:41:32,570 --> 01:41:29,580
then we could maybe can start thinking

2566
01:41:34,189 --> 01:41:32,580
about going to other worlds

2567
01:41:36,109 --> 01:41:34,199
well because all you got to learn to get

2568
01:41:38,270 --> 01:41:36,119
along with each other here first before

2569
01:41:40,550 --> 01:41:38,280
we go anyplace else that's right before

2570
01:41:43,189 --> 01:41:40,560
we we look to the heavens and decide

2571
01:41:45,169 --> 01:41:43,199
what is right for for the cosmos let's

2572
01:41:47,810 --> 01:41:45,179
settle our differences here on our own

2573
01:41:49,010 --> 01:41:47,820
little mud ball right right well Betty

2574
01:41:50,750 --> 01:41:49,020
Hill I want to thank you for taking the

2575
01:41:52,430 --> 01:41:50,760
time to speak in here with me here

2576
01:41:54,770 --> 01:41:52,440
fascinating interview inviting me into

2577
01:41:57,470 --> 01:41:54,780
your home Betty Hill's new book a common

2578
01:42:00,229 --> 01:41:57,480
sense approach to UFOs

2579
01:42:01,970 --> 01:42:00,239
um again Betty has the book here we want

2580
01:42:03,530 --> 01:42:01,980
to mention how they can acquire the book

2581
01:42:07,070 --> 01:42:03,540
one more time

2582
01:42:08,750 --> 01:42:07,080
um the price of the book is 15.95 and

2583
01:42:10,850 --> 01:42:08,760
usually it depends on where you they

2584
01:42:13,550 --> 01:42:10,860
live but usually I send a priority mail

2585
01:42:18,169 --> 01:42:13,560
which is three dollars and the address

2586
01:42:21,470 --> 01:42:18,179
is 953 State Street Portsmouth New

2587
01:42:23,390 --> 01:42:21,480
Hampshire all three eight oh one you got

2588
01:42:24,770 --> 01:42:23,400
it live it learn it read it Betty Hill

2589
01:42:27,770 --> 01:42:24,780
thank you very much for being our guest

2590
01:42:29,810 --> 01:42:27,780
here tonight okay

2591
01:42:32,450 --> 01:42:29,820
I

2592
01:42:33,550 --> 01:42:32,460
he's inside my guess what

2593
01:42:37,550 --> 01:42:33,560
oh

2594
01:42:39,530 --> 01:42:37,560
yeah yes I love this hold them up to the

2595
01:42:41,689 --> 01:42:39,540
camera if you'd like these are someone

2596
01:42:43,010 --> 01:42:41,699
pictures what's yeah I've got the camera

2597
01:42:46,609 --> 01:42:43,020
running still if you'd like to hold them

2598
01:42:50,090 --> 01:42:46,619
up oh I gotta go take a trip first

2599
01:42:51,590 --> 01:42:50,100
that's hit the fly in trash can

2600
01:42:54,109 --> 01:42:51,600
uh who are the

2601
01:42:56,270 --> 01:42:54,119
who was the tonight's concert

2602
01:42:57,709 --> 01:42:56,280
offline trash can you hold the right

2603
01:43:00,050 --> 01:42:57,719
torture okay

2604
01:43:02,990 --> 01:43:00,060
I call it a flying trash can but one of

2605
01:43:05,510 --> 01:43:03,000
the astronauts saw the same shape out in

2606
01:43:09,890 --> 01:43:05,520
space and he caught a little flying beer

2607
01:43:13,609 --> 01:43:11,450
what else do you have there oh there's

2608
01:43:16,490 --> 01:43:13,619
another

2609
01:43:19,310 --> 01:43:16,500
this is a disc

2610
01:43:20,870 --> 01:43:19,320
this little attachment here is a remote

2611
01:43:23,510 --> 01:43:20,880
controlled object

2612
01:43:25,850 --> 01:43:23,520
which they toss out and it flies around

2613
01:43:32,930 --> 01:43:25,860
by itself I don't know it could be a

2614
01:43:36,830 --> 01:43:35,090
and those

2615
01:43:39,109 --> 01:43:36,840
seven

2616
01:43:41,209 --> 01:43:39,119
and that's a very common pattern for

2617
01:43:42,950 --> 01:43:41,219
them to fly in

2618
01:43:44,930 --> 01:43:42,960
I don't know if you can get these or not

2619
01:43:46,970 --> 01:43:44,940
sure yeah great they look okay that's

2620
01:43:51,050 --> 01:43:46,980
very common that's there's yeah a very

2621
01:43:53,149 --> 01:43:51,060
common pattern for flight and then

2622
01:43:54,649 --> 01:43:53,159
oh this one's huge

2623
01:43:57,709 --> 01:43:54,659
that's is that the outline of a craft

2624
01:43:59,570 --> 01:43:57,719
this is the front the lighted front and

2625
01:44:07,550 --> 01:43:59,580
I would say this one is about

2626
01:44:15,530 --> 01:44:10,790
come in this one this is a disc

2627
01:44:20,870 --> 01:44:18,169
these were all taken in this area yep

2628
01:44:22,790 --> 01:44:20,880
yep in your hot spot yep

2629
01:44:24,050 --> 01:44:22,800
evergots that's got you got you to

2630
01:44:24,950 --> 01:44:24,060
disclose well we know is Southern New

2631
01:44:30,109 --> 01:44:24,960
Hampshire

2632
01:44:32,510 --> 01:44:30,119
sightings oh let me show you these glows

2633
01:44:34,250 --> 01:44:32,520
yeah these are very interesting

2634
01:44:36,050 --> 01:44:34,260
these are all about copies of my

2635
01:44:38,450 --> 01:44:36,060
pictures

2636
01:44:40,550 --> 01:44:38,460
if you're too close to a UFO this is

2637
01:44:43,850 --> 01:44:40,560
what it does to your camera

2638
01:44:45,770 --> 01:44:43,860
you can take a picture of it

2639
01:44:47,750 --> 01:44:45,780
you get all these lights

2640
01:44:49,430 --> 01:44:47,760
I mean I assume this at different kinds

2641
01:44:51,350 --> 01:44:49,440
of energy it's if we only knew how to

2642
01:44:53,149 --> 01:44:51,360
analyze them

2643
01:44:56,270 --> 01:44:53,159
and these were Outdoors taken these

2644
01:44:58,129 --> 01:44:56,280
would take my front steps here the UFO

2645
01:44:59,510 --> 01:44:58,139
is coming up the street it must have it

2646
01:45:02,990 --> 01:44:59,520
was right up your street now how long

2647
01:45:07,490 --> 01:45:03,000
ago was this oh I don't know I I always

2648
01:45:11,689 --> 01:45:09,950
oh this picture is very important anyway

2649
01:45:13,490 --> 01:45:11,699
the craft came up the street I'm

2650
01:45:15,470 --> 01:45:13,500
standing on the front steps and then

2651
01:45:17,450 --> 01:45:15,480
when I went over

2652
01:45:18,290 --> 01:45:17,460
the rule for the buildings across the

2653
01:45:20,750 --> 01:45:18,300
street

2654
01:45:24,050 --> 01:45:20,760
and I filmed that

2655
01:45:25,850 --> 01:45:24,060
but this is a very polar

2656
01:45:29,689 --> 01:45:25,860
very poor

2657
01:45:32,090 --> 01:45:29,699
picture of it anyway it was a circle a

2658
01:45:35,450 --> 01:45:32,100
circular craft round like a ball

2659
01:45:37,669 --> 01:45:35,460
and they had windows that were lighted

2660
01:45:42,109 --> 01:45:37,679
you could you know almost impossible to

2661
01:45:50,810 --> 01:45:44,390
and then they'll see uh

2662
01:45:54,410 --> 01:45:53,209
they'll come in they might have two or

2663
01:45:57,229 --> 01:45:54,420
three beams

2664
01:45:59,270 --> 01:45:57,239
come in and then

2665
01:46:02,870 --> 01:45:59,280
as the crafts come in then the beams

2666
01:46:06,890 --> 01:46:02,880
disappear let's see

2667
01:46:09,229 --> 01:46:06,900
oh this is actually this one here

2668
01:46:13,669 --> 01:46:09,239
this is a this is

2669
01:46:17,990 --> 01:46:15,530
that's the way the pictures were

2670
01:46:19,310 --> 01:46:18,000
duplicated here's a remote controlled

2671
01:46:22,310 --> 01:46:19,320
object

2672
01:46:24,830 --> 01:46:22,320
and this one is Vega it's a perfectly

2673
01:46:27,830 --> 01:46:24,840
round ball and it's bigger than the full

2674
01:46:34,430 --> 01:46:30,950
oh that's some more from the too close

2675
01:46:37,910 --> 01:46:36,169
so okay

2676
01:46:40,129 --> 01:46:37,920
man that was great thank you very much

2677
01:46:41,149 --> 01:46:40,139
buddy appreciate it and good luck with

2678
01:46:42,950 --> 01:46:41,159
your new book

2679
01:46:44,149 --> 01:46:42,960
all right that's your first your first

2680
01:46:46,970 --> 01:46:44,159
book isn't it

2681
01:46:49,430 --> 01:46:46,980
yeah oh I've written several articles

2682
01:46:52,250 --> 01:46:49,440
the first book yeah right thank you very

2683
01:46:54,050 --> 01:46:52,260
much Betty you're welcome

2684
01:46:55,669 --> 01:46:54,060
that was great thank you God that's the

2685
01:46:59,030 --> 01:46:55,679
longest I got without a cigarette in

2686
01:47:03,470 --> 01:47:01,010
are a champion as far as covering the

2687
01:47:06,050 --> 01:47:03,480
phenomenal let me tell you you are

2688
01:47:07,430 --> 01:47:06,060
so refreshing just some of your answers

2689
01:47:09,530 --> 01:47:07,440
and um

2690
01:47:12,590 --> 01:47:09,540
I like the way you sound I never found

2691
01:47:15,890 --> 01:47:12,600
any strange man in my bedroom you suck

2692
01:47:17,990 --> 01:47:15,900
it to the other researchers and

2693
01:47:19,870 --> 01:47:18,000
and you owe me a copy of that tape oh

2694
01:47:22,669 --> 01:47:19,880
absolutely

2695
01:47:24,109 --> 01:47:22,679
that was fantastic that was great Betty

2696
01:47:25,660 --> 01:47:24,119
thank you for your patience I really

2697
01:47:29,050 --> 01:47:25,670
appreciate it

2698
01:47:31,669 --> 01:47:29,060
[Music]

2699
01:47:33,470 --> 01:47:31,679
see my theory about the manifesting is

2700
01:47:35,209 --> 01:47:33,480
helicopters I mean when I tell people

2701
01:47:37,310 --> 01:47:35,219
that you know I know Special Operations

2702
01:47:38,810 --> 01:47:37,320
like the back of my hand and there's

2703
01:47:40,910 --> 01:47:38,820
some groups that the Special Operations

2704
01:47:43,070 --> 01:47:40,920
don't know and they look like Special